TOPIC:

Right Call© Arbitration Committee is a group of Racers committed to fair play from all RIGHT CALL© participating teams, to make a final decision to the out-come of a protested Racing Event.
A Racing Event is any League Race put on by any Racing League that is a member of RIGHT CALL©.

All participating RIGHT CALL© members must designate a web page for the posted results of their RIGHT CALL© decisions that were made during their League Races.

To which a Racing Incident can not resolved to a reasonable settlement between players. A player involved in the incident shall only need to say I want a RIGHT CALL© at that time no settlement negotiations between players may continue in the browser or in ventrilo. If one continues to disrupt or argue discarding the order for calm and quiet, the hosting League Promoter may/shall impose penalties on such a player not limited to banning from servers and/or future league races and may include future races promoted by RIGHT CALL© members. Each of the protesting racers will not post in any teams guest books or forums about the incident nor the out-come. There will be no bashing of players or teams by either party. Such bashing won't be tolerated by any RIGHT CALL© Team and these type actions may bring a complaint before the RIGHT CALL© committee for arbitration of penalties against a single player.

Once a request for RIGHT CALL© is ordered the Team hosting the race shall ask for a RIGHT CALL© Arbitration. If 3 or more of the Committee members are present he may order them to a private area to review and make a RIGHT CALL© final decision right then right there. If there are not 3 committee members available he shall send a email or IM (Yahoo) to the members of the Committee for a review. If the Party involved in the incident is a RIGHT CALL© committee member he can not attend or be present during the arbitration he can not sway or have an opinion on the process nor make contact with another member of the committee during the arbitration, he must remain silent.

Every requested RIGHT CALL© will be reviewed totally including all replays and information necessary to make a quick and accurate RIGHT CALL© decision. Every RIGHT CALL© decision shall be returned in 36 hours from the time it was submitted. and the Hosting Member shall make a entry on their RIGHT CALL© web page posting the Date and the Race Name as well as the track to what evidence was presented and reviewed what happened and what the RIGHT CALL© decision was and which Teams that made the RIGHT CALL© unanimous final decision.

Every RIGHT CALL© member shall assign 1 person they trust whole heartedly to act as a stand in agent for his Team only in his absents.

ALL RIGHT CALL© Teams and/or members shall be treated with respect by other members no matter what the arbitration decisions and out-comes are, remember the shoe may be on the other foot someday.

ALL RIGHT CALL© decisions will be final with out the right of appeal or arbitration by another entity.

Boot just like I told DB...this is exactly the stuff we need on here. Now to your questions...

Q #1. The point of this committee is to only review the replays that are sent to them. From them replays, the committee will form an opinion as to what they think the call should be?

A:Yes...The Commitee will put their decision on whatever website they decide to use.

Q #2. If Right Call is only there to give there opinion, or second set of eyes, what is the point of the committee then if it doesn't change the outcome of a race?

A: The leagues that agree to be members of right call will have to use the decision of the commitee. (Thats the whole purpose of this). Basically a driver protest the decision.

Q #3. If Right Call does make the final ruling that would be implemented during league races, then doesn't that take away control of MY own league races?

A: More than likely 90% of calls will still be made by the league director or race director and wont even have to go to Right Call. (Ill give examples after this post).

Q: Am I looking at this the wrong way, or would it be like, Right Call would be a governing body that would be involved in any and all discrepancies as far as replays are concerned and that, if it came down to it, there decision would be final over all league races involving the replay?

A: Far from any and all. Most times the drivers that are in the incident will 1st settle it themselves after a race (Hey man sorry the spot is yours). If not then the League Director will look at the replay and make a decision. Only after these things have not been satisifactory will Right Call be asked for.

Q: If the answer to the last question is yes , would all team leagues have to have a more uniform set of rules for all league play that would fall in line with what the Right Call committee is trying to accomplish?

A: ABSOLUTLY NOT!!! Each team will still abide by their own rules and Right Call would make a decision within those rules depending on the severity of the incident. (I would suggest each team post their rules and penalty system)

Karl...What do you think about a website just for Right Call to publish their decisions. Then the teams can copy/paste the decisions from there to their page

Now in the last 3 months I can think of 3 or 4 things that should go to the Right Call Commitee from my team (Although I havent been around alot). The incident with me and Boot probably woulda gone (warp was involved)...An incident between DK and JJ (warp was involved). An incident that happened with DK at WFO(and he didnt come back). The incident with Karl and Rain from Saturday night(a bubble or warp was involved).

For the most part DRIVERS KNOW WHEN THEIR WRONG!!! and 80% of the time its handled between the 2 drivers. the other 20% of the time it falls on the league director to make the call...maybe 5-10% of the calls that the league director makes should go to Right Call.

I think a web site for Right Call is a good idea, But maybe shock can dedicate a forum page or each owner can have their own page just to post only the results.

ok, heres what I think after talking to my team and several others that is not on my team and the feed back from this post.

my team says But wait, if some other team votes on the members for our team to give them a more favorable decision who will be the best person to arbitrate for us. (good Point) and they say as the owner of the team you would Karl. so im gonna add I think (just me talking here) the member of right call has to be an owner or/ some one he assigns to to be a member or/ some one the owner assigns to be his stand-in in his absents. now that being said I still think a right call will be fair and un bias because of the minumum of 3 Right Call members still have to present to give a unamous decision after they arbitrate, even if one of the 3 is the owner of the team that the Right Call was against he will be hard pressed to convience the other 2 members of the arbitraion commettee to make a bad call,

I luv the fact that we all can arbitrate what we like and what we dont like and what we want on this draft as a group racers with-out argument to make the Right Call, in fact thats exactly what were doing now we are all arbitracting a final draft for right call to fair and just for all teams involved, And you see its working, and I personally thank each of you for the many hours of thought you have put in to this. This will be written as a DTR all teams effort and all the teams that finalize this draft will go on the title of ownership to Right Call in hopes that when some of us are gone from the game, the newer players will still have this to help keep the pressure off team owners and players and fair play.

i guess im just going to try an re-iterate whats already been said (i must liking reading what i write as much as i like hearing my self talk lol)

so in essence , this "right call" will be the last ditch effort , last option plan for those who can not come to an agreement amongst themselves , with or with out the aid of said racing series owner/promoter help

once the said owner/promoter makes a ruling on the replay in question , if 1 party in the disagreement is still unhappy with the outcome , it can then be given over to "right call"

upon where it will be viewed by 3rd party individuals who shall make a ruling based on what they see , and it must be completely 100% agreed upon by said individuals who are charged with this task

-my question now is : what happens when the parties involved in the review/ultimate ruling disagree them selves , and can not come to a 100% ruling?

is it then declaired null and void , and the original ruling by the owner/promoter of the race still standing?

im wavering on this , im not 100% either way anymore , kinda in limbo , and want to see what we cant work out , and how if it all - it comes into play with wfo turkey gobbler 100 next wednesday november 23rd at 8pm east

(another plug for the race Ice lol)

Thanks for the plug DB!!!

Say 4 of 5 of the members think its one way...The agreement is that we will rule the way the majority of the commitee that reviews it...It will be considered as Unanamous because in the Right Call Agreement. None of the members of the commitee can say "i didnt agree with the decision" For example...When Rain and Karl got into it the other night and I agree with Rain but F1yer, Boot, and Shock say that Rain was at fault. Well per the agreement I cant come out and say well I thought Rain was right but I was overruled. The decision of the commitee will be stated as a group decision even though one or more of the group dont agree with it

What this is for is just to keep the drama down and you shouldnt see any more rants in the guestbooks or fourms.

I really hope i made sence here cause i have a movie blaring for the kiddos

when a team agrees to be a member of Right call, he will agree that no one will leave the arbitration with out a unanimous decision even if the they are just the minimum arbitraters of 3, the decision can only go 3 ways, it can go 1 ya or na 2 na or ya's or 3 yes. When leaving the arbtration room its a majority decision between 3 or more teams and that will be the ruling that stands. The arbitrator job is to view the information provided, replays and review the hosting teams rules that the first decision by the promotor handed down, If the incident did or did not fall with-in their rules of play or was different situation not covered by the rules or was it a bad call by the promotor. The Committee will settle the dispute, and by the oath of agrement of Right Call thats the end of it no more discussion move on with the racing. I am sure this isn't a 100% solution but its a 200% better than what we had. I intend to get the draft finished by this weekend so it can be used in (Plug) WFO's Turkey 100 and Doit will also use it in the TurKey ShOOt_Out it will be in place if we need it. The rest of the Mars FreaKy Fall series will run under the rules that are in place until the adoption of Right Call. One last thing, Welcome the newest member to Doit Racing EVR_Gerb

He musta left b4 I came along but Welcome bud

He musta been quick though to have that EVR tag in front of his name though

I got a question for once

What if the league director that made the original call is in the commitee..Does he get a say so in the matter or is he out of the equation because hes already made his decision

Thats the Best question Yet, and I luv the challenge.
in my opinion, who knows the rules better than the promoter of the race that made the decision on what happened and how he wrote his rules. He should have the right as a member of Right Call to defend his ruling in the arbitration room as well as anyone else may defend agains his ruling and the majority prevails.

only if he wasnt involved in the incident and the he can not be present.

Ok..So if im undertanding this correctly...The teams that agree to being on this commitee WILL have to follow the Commitee from whatever THEIR decision is right?

..Ok,if that is the case..they WHAT is the point in having a WFO,BLS,DOIT,ERL,USRA and whoever else chooses to go with this..that is basically TELLING all the teams to throw out THEIR rules that they already have and the commitee will make their OWN RULES for those teams to have to follow

..so with that said..why not just go ahead and shut all those teams down..and make ONE TEAM all together..cuz if you really and honestly sit there and think about it..that is what might as well happen in my opinion...

I guess im basically looking and sounding like the idiot that just dont understand any of this thats trying to be put on a computer game....To me,i think we should ONLY have the right to put something like this thats on a free game of all things IF we was actually racing for ACTUAL money,prizes or what not...until this..

its just a free game that ALL we well ever do is download it and play it..thats its..the..i guess i'll just never understand why something like this is trying to be put on a free game that is supposed to be fun and free....

i mean come on guys..we TOOK responsibilities as team owners to make the tough call even if it does not make someone happy...look at local tracks...look at nascar or any other race event...something gets called against someone..they're not happy correct?..

BUT..do they not still show up to every local race the next weekend still? yes they do..dont nascar drivers still show up to the next race even tho they get docked 100 points..or $25,000?..yes they do..and the reason for this commitee is to take it decision of of the team owners hands so that they dont catch heat for their choose they made?

...honestly if a team owner is worried about someone gettin mad over THEIR RULES that they set and made THEIR CHOICE based on THEIR RULES...then they dont need to Run a team..they need to hand over rights to someone who can make the tough BUT right call

...teams owners just need to man up and take and keep control of their events and not fall back on "ok,i dont want ppl mad at me for the call i make..so yall make it for mt"..that just is really pointless to me

...AND the whole..it would be secret vote to where NOBODY that raced would know who voted..that right there..the DTR2 community are the ones willing to race..willing to race your league events to have fun..

the last thing we need is to start having things being kept secret from us for no reason..there's is no reason to keep things secret on a computer game of all things..this is not real life..its a sim game..

97% of the ppl that play this game will NEVER see each other..so whats to be worried about just cuz someone gets mad at you for you maken the right call based on your league rules....i really see no need in this commitee..i honestly dont think it will make the game better..

all its gonna do is cause more speculation than whats already going on for ONE of thing MANY simple reason that now the dtr2 community will now have things kept from this all cuz the commitee says so...

This is all in my personal opinion...and i know someone will have something to say to make everybody reading this whole forum think the commitee will work and is good for the game..but from what i just typed in this post..

i honestly think there is nothing that anybody that thought of this whole commitee be able to tell me anything on why this will work out..i mean im not tryen to bash it..im simply putting my opinion on why i think this will not work at all.

Question - Ok..So if im undertanding this correctly...The teams that agree to being on this commitee WILL have to follow the Commitee from whatever THEIR decision is right?..Ok,if that is the case..they WHAT is the point in having a WFO,BLS,DOIT,ERL,USRA and whoever else chooses to go with this..that is basically TELLING all the teams to throw out THEIR rules that they already have and the commitee will make their OWN RULES for those teams to have to follow.

Anser: What is trying to be accomplished here is not to change any rules. Each team will keep THEIR OWN RULES and have THEIR OWN PENALTY SYSTEM and the commitee will make a decision according to THAT TEAMS RULES. I really think if it went to that extreme then the teams would quit using it. As a team director I can still make my decision and I would think that 9 times out of 10 that would be good enough...The 1 time someone would ask for a Right Call though would be fine with me. Every decision I make I believe is fair and impartial but if another driver thinks different he will have the right to have an impartial 3rd party look at it and I honestly think that most every call sent to Right Call would be called the same way I see it. If most are not seen the same way Im seeing it then that tells me that Im not looking at something correctly and It gives me a chance as a team owner/director to learn what the community expects in their decisions.

Well..Im still not understanding why a team owner is scared to make calls for himself when they've had no problem with it until now..and thats till not even saying that most proly dont even have a problem with making their own calls thought...but can you or anybody esle answer why all these calls have to be keps secret from the drivers that the replay has to do with?..i mean..we might as well all inroll in the U.S government and go stand out on the front lines..cuz this is what it starting to feel like...its bad enough how ppl have to get a call made against them..now we're keeping things from ppl with this secret "only withint the comitee vote"..i mean..its like ppl are gonna be hiding behind this work "Commitee" word now...team owners dont want it in their hands to make a call..thats what was said on the reason why this "commitee" is being brought up..So..its sounds like they cant be a man and make their own decision...so they feel like they can be a man and make basically the same choice that pisses someone off but now the only thing is they'll never know who made the descision..they'll just get a slap in the face sayen a majority vote says your at fault...I mean come on..why cant ppl just take responsibilites for the choice they make and move on to the next woke for christ sake....and from what was said in one of the comments from whoever..it said..the teams who join the commitee will have to follow the commitee decisions...now..if that is not sayen to that team that their rules are pointless..then i dont know waht else has to be said to make it seem more clear.

I know at WFO right now I have a pretty extensive rule book but I dont have a penalty system in place. So if nothing else comes out of this I will have a penalty system in place and have it on the website

BootHeel,
the Committee does not make any rules for your team, you keep your same rules. There is no money but there is the win the glory and the league championships, and that what were racing for. There is no secret vote on anything, the ballet on the other hand is confidental when you are voting for multiple people, like it should be so no one gets retaliation on the voting process. at this point I think the ballet is out and back to team owners only,

this is what in the draft

A RIGHT CALL© member shall be a owner of a team or a member of that team that the owner has assigned to act in his behalf so long as it is posted on the RIGHT CALL© membership roster, the owner can assign one other person they trust whole heartedly to act as a stand in agent for his team only in the absence of the acting member.

Ok so i understand it more fully( i am sure it has been covered but i dont care to read all 1000000 posts on this topic).....The " Replay Commitee " HELPS the team owner if the team owner can not make a decision on a incident that occured in his/her race?