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just so everyone knows , im not trying to be difficult or make things difficult by constantly asking new questions

its just stuff flying thru my mind
and my opinions

honestly i think this is fun , its great to see how creative we can be and that we are all willing to work toward a common goal

BLS_DeadBolt wrote:

if we do go ahead and impliment something like what we are talking about , i hope there will be a pre determined time period , in the future so we can look back and make sure we are going about it the correct way , as it was intended

and also , that if a team deems that they would like to opt out of the commitee , that is a possiblilty that exists

and what if , a new group of kids/guy show up out of no where and start a new team and or series , how long do we wait to invite them to be part , or would it be up for review annually

i know im getting ahead of myself by asking that , but maybe its something to think about

Yeah I agree that we should have a new vote every so often. 6 month or a year...something like that.

I think that if a new team comes along and wants to try it we vote their 2 members in the same way...I wouldnt want my team to be in this without representation...But they would have to agree to all the bylaws and understand that if it goes to the commitee that they have to go with what the commitee says.

I know ive said it before but these are the answers that Im giving and in no way is the correct answers for the Right Call Commitee

I think weather you a owner or not the idea is to judge as fair as you can, and most owners have, but even if one was teaming, I dought that 3 or 4 other people will see it that way, the end result has to be unanimous so it will still be a fair decision. I'm thinking Jan 1 2011 to start and see what gives, say after 2 full league sessions review the out-comes with the committee members and go from there.

Karl call me if you have time to chat

ok , ive read alot and i may be confused here

teams in line for it consist of multiple team mates -
what about stand alone series - for instance XOR , and my WHT - while we are supported by BLS as a major team , we may have different rules than BLS , are we still covered by this? and/or are we left out?

what about a team such as XCR or RPM(even tho they dont have a currently active schedule) these 2 teams only have a few members , i wouldnt want to leave them out just because the math doesnt work with numbers of team mates

and , so i understandd fully , if a team or series does not agree to be part of this replay commitee(right call) - thier rules end at them and that race , they cannot be reviewed - correct?

So how would the vote work?...#1- Would you get a list of All team members from the various teams and then have a vote by the DTR2 community as to who they would want to have on the committee?.#2- Would you have all the teams involved nominate , say , 2 members from their respective teams to represent this committee and the DTR2 community as a whole? Just wondering!!!

Each team will nominate up to 5 drivers and every other team will vote between those 2 driver on who they want on the commitee...did this explain it?

Ok guys The Turkey 100 is coming up next week...Im going to be the 1st one to try the Right Call in a race. I think for this we will use the team owner/director for each team that shows up for the race to be on the commitee for a 1 time only deal. Next month we will do all the voting and elect the members for Right Call...We will be in Vent at 6ct to discuss any questions you may have before the race and we will stick around afterwards for further discussions. The more questions that are asked me more prepared we will be when this officially kicks off in January.

If your sub-league is part of another League that is a member of Right Call you have the right of use, or you may Opt out. Any league thats not a member can not use the Right Call Committee for a review. If your team is not a member of Right Call and participates in a league that is a member of Right Call and your involved you will be bound by the Right Call decision.

The vote has to be descret where the names of the voters are not public.

ok , thanks , now i have a better understanding of how it will cover those who are associated with it , and those who are not

also , i like the idea of the voting as ice explained it :

Team 1 will nominate 5 team mates
Team 2 will nominate 5 team mates
Team 3 and so on.....

For Team 1's 2 nominated members to the commitee , Teams 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 will vote on those

For Team 2's nominated members to the commitee , Teams 1 , 3 , 4 , 5 will vote on those

and so on ........

until all teams associated with right call have the correct number of participants in the right call commitee

am i correct?

Geez,yup it does explain it. Sorry if ya had to answer the question again if it was already asked.

I believe you are correct sir

OK i have to put my 2 cents into this
#1 i think only owners of the team should be on right call to keep from having to many on the commitee

#2 every team should have the right to have 1 person on RIGHT CALL {no vote needed to get on}

#3 is everyone on the RIGHT CALL should have the rules to EVERY leauge team on right call to be fair

#4 i think the commitee should not talk among one another about the replay to keep from having bias votes

#5 if there is even numbers then the commitee should deside on 1 person from random to keep the votes uneven to keep from problems

Well, I posted my last comment in the wee hours of the morning. Man, have you guys been busy!

There have been a lot of great questions and answers. This type of discussion is what the community needs. And I'm glad that you are willing to give it a shot Rowdy.

Now,
As for the voting... I am absolutely against it. The main reason is... I cannot in good conscience vote for the representative for another team. I hardly know anyone on the teams. And there are many people that do not know me and some of my teammates. How can they vote for my rep? The guy who races the most browser and open league events from each team is the one that everyone knows. That would absolutely become an instant popularity contest. The welfare of each team is directly the responsibility of the team owners. They guide the direction of the team through direct action or inaction. It's their team. Why would I want someone in Florida to vote for my local District Missouri State Rep. I say it is up to the owner to either be "the guy" or choose who the rep will be. If they want to vote within their team for a rep then so be it, but other teams do not need to pick who will represent me, or my team. That just makes no sense. The committee should not care who is the rep or reps from each team, only that they are the same reps and that they only change once a year or with advanced notice or whatever the bylaw would state. I can tell you... I will not vote for another team’s rep. For example: I would have to vote rowdy and tj for TXR because they are the only 2 I have had any extended contact with. Not that they are not a good choice, but I don’t know anyone else on their team. Heck, I have never seen some of the team names before this post other that on download sites. Karl, it would be you and M!ck I guess. I've talked and raced with others but you are the two I know the best. USRA? Hunter and NBR? Heck, I don’t know?... Do you see what I'm getting at? There are many other teams that will not know entire teams exist, or very little about any team. The next reason is how do we keep the voting fair and who will police it. I’m against the voting for other teams reps.

Each Team has to be responsible for choosing their reps. And that’s the way it’s been since the revolutionary war when we told mother England to piss off, we can represent ourselves. We should heed the lessons of our history.

Sorry got carried away again. I’ll jump off my soapbox now.

Hey Turbo,
I'm glad you added that, because I never gave thought to the newest guys not knowing who everybody is and same with them not knowing you. I will certainly take that in consideration when we finalize how were going to elect the committee.

Ok, just so I am understanding this correctly, which was stated by Karl, and I quote..." Right Call only takes the incident and reviews it, using the hosting teams rules makes a unanimous decision".....so with that being said...............

Q #1. The point of this committee is to only review the replays that are sent to them. From them replays, the committee will form an opinion as to what they think the call should be?

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Q #2. If Right Call is only there to give there opinion, or second set of eyes, what is the point of the committee then if it doesn't change the outcome of a race?

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Q #3. If Right Call does make the final ruling that would be implemented during league races, then doesn't that take away control of MY own league races?

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Am I looking at this the wrong way, or would it be like, Right Call would be a governing body that would be involved in any and all discrepancies as far as replays are concerned and that, if it came down to it, there decision would be final over all league races involving the replay?

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If the answer to the last question is yes , would all team leagues have to have a more uniform set of rules for all league play that would fall in line with what the Right Call committee is trying to accomplish?

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I'm not trying to cause problems, I'm just trying to make an informed decision on the facts that are presented to me , so i can form my own opinion as to whether or not I want to be involved with Right Call. It does sound like a very good idea, please don't get me wrong, just some constructive criticism to see where all of this will be headed in the future. I do like many of the ideas that have brought up, so hopefully no one will take all these questions the wrong way or be offended if they have been asked before and I have asked again.

Also.I really would like a better answer to the questions instead of "well it takes it out of the owners hands to make a call"...in all honesty..it still really dont...the only thing the well what i would call OPINION COMMITEE would do is still have someone..a owner still make a call and still have that person get mad..the only difference would be..that person would NEVER know who did it..Now,the day we got to start doing votes on who did what and then keeping it all a secret with lies and everything so that way ppl dont know who voted when they would have every right to know who voted this..and who voted that is would basically be putting a U.S Government on a game...they tell you one thing to your face but they're keepin the real secrets covered up..And somewhere down the road its gonna cause tensen cause sooner or later ppl are going to get sick of well i got a call made but its all kept a secret from me....so in the end..yea it MIGHT be a good idea to try this...but either way..the SAME ppl still end up make a choice on who did what...the SAME result will happen..someone will get pissed...There are just somethings as a team owner that you have to make a call with and live it with..thats the repsonsibilities of being a owner when you yourself brought whichever team up on this game.....so like i said..these are just questions..and i hope someone can give me a better reason other than "it takes pressure off the owner to make a choice"

those are very good questions rowdy , they kind of follow and expand upon what i was trying to ask the other day (at least i think so)

and i also agree with turbo , i had not thought of that , some racers may not know everyone

so now thats kind of influencing me the other way again , im now leaning toward doing it the way we always have

granted i dont have a horse in this race , im not a team owner

I have to admit...Turbo changed my mind on the voting (Thats not easy to do).

Keep in Mind there has not been anything carved in stone, at this point, thats why we are puting this out there for every one to look at. My own team didn't like the voting idea either.. with that said lets take a look at the origanl draft again. Ill post it in its entirty, in the next post