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Good thought spridal, a great idea in theory, but I would hate to end up with a governing body over all. We would end up with other governing bodies and then end up having nations of race teams. My thought and I think what Karl, Shock, and Ice are after is, this committee would be a support to the teams not governing body or a police committee. Each party sends in info and the committee makes a call. Each team agrees to abide by the call, because the committee would be asked to make a call. People are gonna get bumped now and then. I hate to do it, but sometimes I mess up. If that causes a judgement agianst me then so be it. If I do not agree, then I have a chance for appeal through the committee. Folks are gonna be mad from time to time. We all just need to be calm and remember it is a game. Repairs are cheap, and everything else can be worked out. As for everyone having the same rules and race format... we wouldnt need seperate teams then.

Ok fellas. This going way to far! Most of us that play this game race, have raced at some point in time. Some not all, those that have never raced, this is there fix. But, those of us that have know that you're are not gonna show up to a race in real life in a Saturday night and ask the promoter to review the race because you fell like a guy moved you. That's just not gonna happen. Don't get mr wrong I'm as guilty as anyone about screwing up and getting into someone. And trust me noone feels worse about it than I do. There are drivers on here who are wicked fast and clean, they're some who are fast and well let's say wild. Lol! Then there are some who show up every race and try there hardest to get better. And that's what makes it short track dirt racing. The majority of us who play this game know when we get into someone. It's racin folks and stuff happens in the dirt. Like I said before, I am guilty as anyone. I have never been a big fan of the replay watching. To many variables. So take it as things happen on the track. I don't mean intentionally taking people out, we know right from wrong. In my opinion it would be no replays at all.

My opinion is this...NONE of us created this game..the MOST we have and ever WILL BE done is DOWNLOAD the game and download the stuff for it..This idea personally will not benifit anybody or anything for the long run except make things worse..saying something about having a legal copyright for a free download game that we didnt create at all is just insane...that would basically kill the game cuz it would be a dictatorship where nobody would have ANY freedoms cuz the "committy" would have full power and say so on what other teams would be able to do all cuz of replays..and thats not what fun is..thats not what a free download game that we didnt have any hand in creating is about...and IF this does get approved..that is basically opening the door for ANYBODY to send replays just cause they get touched..and once they send it in and its not of any importance for someone on the committy to say..there needs no call made on that..then the ppl thats sending the replay would have every right to say "well whats the point in having a replay committy if your going to say this is not nothing that needs a call made cuz it aint that bad if a accindent...ppl would be sending replays about everything..and you would have to life up to your word on making calls on all replays being sent..and if you say no to ONE..then that opens the door...but this game is free..should be fun..it should not have something like some copyright committy on it to where THEY have power over WHATEVER basically happens on a computer game...Team owners should just stick with what has been going on the whole time..if something happens in YOUR league event...YOU and the CO-OWNER should look at the replay and other replays IF availible and then make the choice..cuz lets face it..you are guaranteed to piss one person off..and make the other happy...its a given fact...so with this committy thing..in my eyes..all that really is..is basically a dictatorship...and would the replays just be sent from just Heats, bmains, and amains..or just one specific race?...but thats MY opinion...so i guess take it as you will.

sound like more drama in the work for dtr2 time to sit back and watch:lol:

You make a good point Boot. I think it could get out of hand as anything can. So I say we be apart of it to help make sure it doesn't. But If there is no one person or persons in charge of anything, what can it hurt. Every team would be involved in a decision. And I'm sure there will be a few replays submitted that will end up as "thats racing" or no fault judgements. If we were all as open minded as you and I, there wouldn't be a need. When we bump somone and it ends up takin them out, we appologize, offer spot, whatever. Or if we make a mistake and get run over because of it, we dont make a big fuss we appologize and go on. But there are some that cause a big fuss and have everyone up in arms over silly stuff. I personaly like simple. But I would invite the idea to try out a committee that is there to aid in those situations that cant be settled within the event. I hear folks all the time comparing this all to "real" racing. It is a game and the experience can only be so real. In real racing, where I come from, if some one is spun whether on their own or with help, the yellow comes out everyone lines up, a judgement is called right then with the black flag if needed, and we go agian. With the absence of that ability and the amount of actual racers and race fans trying to get the realism in this simulated game, we find some folks dont care much for a bump or an occational accident. And we find some folks that flip out over the silliest thing. So basically I aggree with you in the thinking that we can do without this. But with reps from each team involved, I dont think it would be a dictator ship at all. You as a race director or a driver would ask for the assistance of the committee to settle the arguement. No team is forced to be part of the program. But all who are will be represented by people like you as a team owner. I dont see the harm in it as the committee would have no real power other than if somone blatently causes trouble within the committee or doesn't follow the committee rulings, then they wont be a part of it. That means what... nothing realy. Other than you wont be able to ask committee to help with a call, your team would not be represented with desicions on how the committee would operate, and the drivers that run your events won't have the committee appeal option (Maybe less will show up but I doubt it). People will still race reguardless. I just think this could work out for the benefit of all with the involvement of all. Think of it this way... If I have an issue I send it in and you, shock, goat, Karl, Ice, .... and any other team owner that is a member, simply watch a replay and give your feedback on it. Thats it. The committee doesn't say this is punishable by what ever... they simply make the call and it's realy up to the team to follow there own rules from that point. Can it fail? ... yep. Could it work? Only one way to find out. I guarentee if it gets to a point where teams are being forced to change rules and follow other teams example as to format, rules , and such where freedoms of individual teams to create there own rules and racing formats is impeeded... I'm out.

The copyright thing is only to show intelectual ownership of the name of the committee and the written materials to be protected from outsiders trying to use it as there own. Not that its a nessesity, but the copywrite is only so good. We all use fictisious nick names, so no fear of actual legal issues really. Just protecting the document itself.

In closing to my loooooong winded responce... I dont care if we go with the committee or not. I'm not trying to sell it, cause it aint mine. I'm racing now and will continue either way. I'm just splainin' what I think it will be about. This is all as you and Deadbolt put it "just my opinion".

If any of you have made it far enough to read this sentence... it's your turn to sound off.

But here is my point turbo...ALL the "guys" that play this game know i can snap out if i feel like i got done wrong..then they wanna have the nerve to tell me that its just a game..chill out and have fun..ok..i understand that..but half the ppl thats wanting this "rule" for the game is now taking the game way to serious..and i was always the one being told that i took it too serious?...with this rule..all its really telling me is that to them...its not a game no more...and i really dont understand why a bunch of ppl have to make a decision on a replay at a league race that MAYBE one of them did not even attend at all..and now they're being called upon to make a choice about somethin that they had no part in..my honest opinion about replay is this...the LEADERS of DTR2 are responsible for THEIR league events..it should not be put in other people's hands in the turnout from another league event...so with that said..i think that there should be TWO ppl MAX that should look at replays from each team....and IF the OWNER of the team just so happens to get taking or whatever..HE is not the one who should have the right to make a call on his own accident cuz 95% of the time..he'll side for himself anyways..the next person in line on the team to view it and make a call should be co-owner or president..whichever...now..the other thing is if the OWNER HAS to look at a replay of something that happend in his league event...and cant make a call on his own?..and has to have this "committy" to look at it...then honestly..that person really has no right to even run a team if he has to have other ppl look at it and the chance of asking someone thats on this "committy" having to make a call when they was not even in the race.....sooo my opinion is whats is stayed above...it dont take this committy to have to look at a replay when the league owner or co-owner should be able to handle it theirself..thats the responsibility of having a team...it should not take you and ppl from OTHER teams to make your choice for you and THEN..having they team owner or whoever does updates for theit site have to wait what was it?..24 hours or something?..why would someone want to wait that long to do the updates over a replay....so there is no need in this committy at all...Team owners just man up,run your leagues,take the responsibility of maken calls on replays yourself at YOUR league races and be done with it..dont fall back on other ppl to make choices for you..once u made a team..you put it on urself to look at it and make the calls yourself..otherwise..what is honestly the point in having a team?

txr_tj3 wrote:

sound like more drama in the work for dtr2 time to sit back and watch:lol:

Honestly I think its going to take some of the drama out...As a race director I have to make calls and its really hard to make a call when your team is involved...either you make the call for your teammate and you get accused of making the call so your teammate gets a spot...or you make the call against your teammate and you get accused of maknig the call so you dont look biased for your team...

Rowdy...Dont take this as bashing of TXR cause its not...last time i raced at TXR I felt like i was wronged whenever Boot and I got together and it was Boot that viewed the replay and made the decision. Now wether I was in the wrong or not I chose not to race there anymore but if this had been sent to something like right call and they made the same decision I would think that I was in the wrong and I would probably show up.

Now on the flip side I know at WFO ive made decisions that people didnt agree with. Now if they wanted to they can say hey I want this to go to Right Call. They would review it and give a verdict that would stand...even if it wasnt my call. I have personally used a version of this for quite awhile...If I am involved in an incident I will send the replay to a 3rd party and let them look and I will take their decision and have always applied it.

Remember guys keep this stuff coming because I think at least 4 teams are probably going to give this a shot and see if it works. If it does I would imagine that most teams would join but there will be nothing against the teams that choose not to join up.

Make sure you understand guys that the league director will make the 1st decision...if the driver that the decision was against disagrees he would then be able to ask for a Right Call Decision.

I understand all of that..i really do..but..there's what was the point in other ppl reviewing the replay..which pit and 17 did anyways..and the same calling being made AGAINST you..when you yourself said to me in yahoo PM msg's addmitting that you took me out on purpose all cause i was warping?..i honestly dont know who takes someone out on purpose cause they was warping..if you knew i was warping..you should know that it was NOT me racing you like that..that is all the internet..Warp is something your computer does at random..its not something that i was teling my computer to do "oh hey,there is ICE..warp right now and hit him and piss him off"....and thats what you basically said to me on yahoo...Quote end Quote.."I took you out cause of your warp"..thats exactly what you told me..so i mean..yea..i did review the replay and make a call against you..but EVEN if i did and you still came out and admitted to what you did and WHY you did it..what would be the reason for other ppl to review the replay anyways if you yourself done admitted to doing that?..thats the one thing that i dont think never got answered between us that night...but its all in opinion..so dont take it the wrong way..im simply just stating stuff that was said on yahoo...so with that said..i still dont see where a commitee would help when a person admits to doing somethin on purpose and then giving the reason why...so even though yea i reviewed it myself back in the day and made a call..i still sent it to pit and 17 to HELP me make a call to make sure they was seeing the same thing..and we all seen the same thing up untill you told "yea i took you out cuz you was driving me rough cause you was warping"..that was no reason to take me out when i was driving up in the points and you was nowhere near it..i earned the respect to not be taking out when i was 3 points out from 1st with only 4 races to go..i should've had the respect to not get takin out..yea..race me hard by ALL MEANS..but know where the line needs to be drawn and dont take point racers out all cause you felt like u was being drivin rough cause that person was warping..everybody knows that if someone gets into them with warp thats its not on purpose..its the internets fault..its not the racers fault..so i guess you feel like you was wronged....well i can say the same thing that i was wronged....but like i said before...this is all in our own opinion..and i everybody has a right to say what they need in an adult manor to straight'n it out.

Rather that keeping a open mind, one should not look at this with a closed mind, the Right Call will be new to the game and there will have to be some adjusting to when and where to impliment. It will not change a teams right to have their own set of rules, nor to make a incident call of their own. What it does, it gives a player the right to have a second opinion, Right Call only takes the incident and reviews it, using the hosting teams rules makes a unanimous decision. Like a new track or new set or a new chassis you have to get used to it. Its not big brother but rather a tool to help the serious team owners get decisions on race results by a totally un biased party, To achieve a honest out-come of events,to add car count to the league races to bring a new beggining to the game so all team can as a group know their getting the fairest game play they can. It will help stop the bashing of team owners and the bashing of drivers after a decision was made by a single person or a single team. This is the time to bury the hatchet and try to move this game forward. There is no legallity to Right call theres no legal action one can bring against another. The copyright gives the dtr community the right of use, the name and logo( RIGHT CALL© ) on our websites without repercussion from some other use. The owners of the copyright will be the dtr community for all to use. The last thing we want is for some new hot shot lawyer to find something in writing on our web sites and cause a problem.those of us that has have(non free)websites know this happens all the time. If you look at Doit's website you will see I copywright all the material, along with a legal disclaimer for that very reason. Now with all that said I hope I answered a few of you questions. We won't know how this works untill we all try it and if it fails we can disolve it as fast as we wrote it. I would like input on the draft to what might better the right call rules and what might need to be taken out.

So basically what this is..is something that will determine what teams gets car counts?..Cause it sounds like that thats what its boiling down to..teams who "choose" to do this commitee stuff will be the ones who get the car counts..and teams who choose not to have other ppl basically run their shows with having to wait for them to make a call on YOUR league event..that will be the teams that nobody will want to go run races with?..cuz that really seems like this is where its headed..this game should be about whoever has races..just go run them..dont matter what team,or who is comin over to run even if ya got issues or whatever..just race all the races you can and not pick and choose who and where you want to run..thats not a real racer..everybody wants this game as real as possible..and im a real racer myself..a very successful late model and street stock racer..and i aint never seen a real racer pick and choose races to race all cuz someone shows up that they dont like..or its a track they dont like cuz they are no good at it or whatever....so my question is this..and its not about oh well it would give someone the chance to have someone else look at the replay...well i got 2 questions now...#1 - Are you basically saying that these commitee members would be taking over my team basically since they're the ones make calls on MY events?...and #2 - What if someone comes and runs my races and we're not in with this Commitee and they still feel like they need to send the replay to the commitee?...do you still make a call and end up being the runners of my event..or do you tell the person sending the replay that you have nothing to do with it?

Boot,
You do not have to be a member, you can still run your league races as you want. and if thats what you want to do you will not have the use of Right Call, you will have to be the heavy of your own actions. If you attend a race that is a Right Call member and someone you crashed doesnt get the favorable decision by the promoter he can ask for a Right Call against you even tho you are not a member.

The idea is good, but I think the results will be a disaster!
What happens when the group starts calling it down team lines?

Ok,well i guess that explained some of what i asking then.

Professional people look at replays all the time to get a fair play. Nascar, footbal, baseball, just about every sport you can think of,

The idea of Right Call is to squelsh the negitivity the game has create in the past 2 years, to improve the league race car counts to improve team relations and to take the back lashing off the team owners.

I too was a successful Late Model Racer, for 25 years, I know who made the calls and it wasn't the team owners. but there was some makeing the calls at every track I raced at. and like it or not there decisions always stood. And not one of them calls did I every think they were trying to take my race team over.

i am very happy with all this discussion , and for the fact we are all talking about it , in a manner that is not harsh to one another

what im getting from everything ive read is - we all want it to be fun and fair for everyone , whether its the diehard racers at every event or the local kid trying it for the first time

after some time reading all of this and thinking about it - i am on board , i say we TRY it , give it a trial period - maybe couple months , then go back and look at what it has affected , whether its in the correct lane of how we as an entire racing community feel we should be directing our course down the road

im no fan of change , at all - but if there is one single thing i have learned this year - its that sh*t never stops changing

whether its for the better or not , i think we should give it a trial run

also , i would hope that those that do agree to sign on and into this replay commitee , will not look down on teams that may not feel inclned to test these waters , hopefully they dont see declined numbers of racers because of the fear that teamXXX and series XXX are not part of said commitee

once again - i hope that makes some sort of sense

Yeah,DB makes a points i guess...So with that said...When y'all start it..Count me in on the action..just let me know when we'll start it.

Basically Im seeing it like this Right Call is just to get an unbiased opinion on what happened. If you choose not to join then Right Call will not make any decisions for your league. If you run a league that has Right Call you can still ask for it. However you will have not be represented as far as having a team member looking at it. Karl correct me if im wrong on this.

But i do have ONE suggestion...Instead of doing what we're doing but mostly taking spots AND points from someone who causes the accident..how about if we're goin to make this as real as we can get it..how about instead of taking the spot away..just take a REASONABLE amount of points away?...i know its not nascar..its dirt track..and HELL YEA to that...but maybe do it like nascar does..the person who won the race got into the leader to pass him..he goes on to win..but the 2nd place guy sends the replay in and gets the call in his favor..well the guy at fault still gets credit for the win...but does not get his max points..just like nascar?..i mean i aint never seen nascar take the spot away nor my local track..if he was in the wrong..they docked him points..if he didnt pass Tech..they docked him points..and nuthing further than that..IF we catch someone cheating..just dock them points..not the position..let that stand..cuz in the end..like they always say..every point counts...So i mean..its just a THOUGHT..just throwing it out there.