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if people want to cheat thay alweas will find a way to do it i will still be hear playing dtr2 wish it would get updatied though

i keep hearing all this crap about cheating and have many times myself been accused of it. as far as i know, i have never cheated at this game, unless u call cheating using someone else's setup that has notepadded gears. as far as hypershifting, heck no and no idea how 2 edit tracks being the computer dummy i am. i believe the game is too much fun to cheat and honestly as long as i know i'm good enough to be competitive and that i know i'm legal then thats all that really matters anyway. as far as getting more ppl or losing ppl..no idea how 2 besides try my best 2 help the new guys in browser. anything else i can personally do, please let me know. dtr2 is the only online game i have ever played and i started a few yrs ago..almost 4 now. been fun 2 me, damn loads of fun..all i know and really all i wanta know 4 now......

The only way to cut out cheating is to build a game to boot and run off of a CD with no installation to a computer so files cannot be altered. Then for the add-on's designate 1 specific database off a server to pull the add-on's from.

Either that or have the game made so it's executable from the PC (essentially make everything packed into a EXE), but doesn't actually install files so they can be edited by the general user.

do i even want to know what brought this topic about?
who and or what is the newest to be found using unapproved methods?

I feel alot like Mcgee, as the old timer to the game I'm up for trying new stuff but DTR is home. as for cheating, I think we have that under control. In the past year we have had a couple of new issues come up. we certainly can't stop someone from cheating, but I Guarantee we have ways to detect it on the server side and a method F1yer came up with the use of dust colors on replays. I have use both methods for detection and they work very well. With several Doit guys playing DF we are getting reports of wide spread cheating way worse than DTR, one big problem is if you beat a cheater you are labeled a cheater in DF and they like to ban racers on the spot. and thats not fair because they do not have the ability to truly detect cheaters. There are ways to add punk buster to the newer games but DTR is way to old for it to work. Doit uses a Microsoft Visual Basic C++ Script on there servers to translate to MS Excel and compare each driver as there track loads to the preloaded track for comparison, we can only tell if someones track was different after the race. but it works. I think DTR cheating anyway for our league races is non existant.

I feel pretty good that there's very little cheating in dtr2 because I have won more league races than anyone since the beginning of the year and I know I don't cheat so if I'm for sure not cheating and I beat everyone else, I feel pretty good about the fact that they aren't cheating either, you know what I mean...I think a lot of people feel the same way. And yes cheating is much more prevalent in rFactor so this old game is doing pretty good in that area for being outdated is most ways.

I understand ur point in saying all that you have been to keep ppl in dtr2 shock..i understand compeletly..aint nobody really leavin to just kill dtr2 at all..some ppl just feel its time for a change and there is nothing wrong with that at all..Dtr2 is not a cattle brand on anyones butt to where they have to stay in dtr2....and dont get me wrong...i aint never questioned ur motivation towards things..but if you have played rfactor..i'd like to know what kinda rfactor you have ran or what league u'd ran for them to have u download these cheat detectors everywhere..where is everywhere? cuz i've been in about 5 differnet teamspeaks with teams that run rfactor and there is no requiremenst like that?..now i might have read ur post wrong..so my next question is..was that comment about the "downloading cheat detectors" towards rfactor?..or towards all games in general?

I brought up this topic Deadbolt, but my main purpose was to find ideas and ways of keeping DTR2 going..Not the cheating and other stuff just came along later.. I just wanted to see ideas and thoughts about improving the game we play not single out cheats, troublemakers etc..I wanted positive feedback so we might be able to use some of the great ideas and try and keep and get DTR2 back to where it should be..So keep on putting out the ideas and wishes for the game and lets be civil on this..I want the game to survive and I'd love to see it improve or even better a brand new true dirt racing sim that we all could enjoy..Thanks yenko2

Most leagues in Rfactor are using the Hostile Contact server to connect now. These servers have a cheat detector in them and will detect any cheating!!

well to answer yenko
i was just sayin the other day to another online racer
im thinking about buying up a bunch of copies of DTR2 off amazon and handing them out when i travel to tracks during "real" racing season - gotta get some "new" talent back in the browsers and turn them into leaguers

thats my big bright fantastic idea lol

I myself have heard of people cheating in rfactor and have heard the cheat detector mentioned at a YBR league race on there, never had to download it though. I don't know the first thing about cheating on dtr2 so i know theres no way i could ever do it in rfactor lol. I don't really think there are any cheaters in dtr2 and the ones who did cheat were caught sooner or later, team VLR and Do!t along with a few others have pretty much got a handle on the cheaters and i would like to thank those teams for that. I would also like to thank Shock for keeping this game updated with this awesome site and Karl for all his help and with his Doit website too. Bunch of good fellas racin in dtr2 and i wont turn my back on it now. I'm with McGee on this too, I'm willing to help the new comers in browser so they can start getting to the level we race on, and i've helped a few already, not sure if it was enough but no complaints so far, i mean hell i'm still learning myself. This game ain't gonna die, and so far sounds like a lot of great ideas thrown out there to make it evem better. Once again JMO

Woods aka Do!t 54

TXR_RowDy wrote:

I understand ur point in saying all that you have been to keep ppl in dtr2 shock..i understand compeletly..aint nobody really leavin to just kill dtr2 at all..some ppl just feel its time for a change and there is nothing wrong with that at all..Dtr2 is not a cattle brand on anyones butt to where they have to stay in dtr2....and dont get me wrong...i aint never questioned ur motivation towards things..but if you have played rfactor..i'd like to know what kinda rfactor you have ran or what league u'd ran for them to have u download these cheat detectors everywhere..where is everywhere? cuz i've been in about 5 differnet teamspeaks with teams that run rfactor and there is no requiremenst like that?..now i might have read ur post wrong..so my next question is..was that comment about the "downloading cheat detectors" towards rfactor?..or towards all games in general?

Well I know NFR just finished there season in rFactor SCE and I just had to download the mod and go. Well this week they started a new season and now I seen where it was making me download some cheat detector thing. I went to the website and it said it was the most common cheat in rFactor that it helps to prevent (some program I had never heard of), and it said it was the only program to prevent it.

So from there I took it that there must have been quite a bit of cheating going on somewhere if we all had to have this certain program now...RACERS lobby or something, and I had heard from a lot of guys that were playing dirtfactor that people try to cheat all the time. I didn't mean everyone is cheating in rFactor it just seemed like a bigger problem over there and some of hte people that came back to dtr2 they told me that was the main reason because of people trying to cheat.

BLS DeadBolt wrote:

well to answer yenko
i was just sayin the other day to another online racer
im thinking about buying up a bunch of copies of DTR2 off amazon and handing them out when i travel to tracks during "real" racing season - gotta get some "new" talent back in the browsers and turn them into leaguers

thats my big bright fantastic idea lol

Burn it off our site onto a CD and do it that way...I'd like to sponsor a dtr2 late model in real life lol

And sorry to keep this going, but back on page 1 F1yer mentioned Slidejob-Bandit. he made a program (lotttts of hard work) to allow him to modify dtr2 to basically make a new game...sorta.

Basically with the program he made it would allow us to repack the game files including new sounds for the cars, make the gen 3's like a default car package, and many other things. It wouldn't be like a whole game, but more like a mod for dtr2. It would also let us put add on tracks into the game as like default tracks. That way in the browser people could run say DW_McKean and not have to worry about people coming in and messing up the server or w/e.

BUT he won't send it out to us because I think mainly of trust issues, because he thinks we might try to modify the game for personal advantage which is definitely not true for me and F1yer, we just want to improve what we have.

At the same time I definitely understand where Slidejob-Bandit is coming from, because he put the time into the program and doesn't want it to get in the wrong hands and them screw the game up...but man I would love to have it to give this game a good overhaul.

I just hope someone makes a WoO late model game like they did recently with Sprint Cars, but for PC and allow us to make add-on tracks and stuff for it. I believe WoO 2002 is a lot better than dtr2 as far as graphics go and stuff, but it's died out because you can't modify anything and release new stuff. If it did we'd probably all be playing that and racing whatever chassis we want in it instead.

VLR_Shock wrote:

TXR_RowDy wrote:
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Well I know NFR just finished there season in rFactor SCE and I just had to download the mod and go.(some program I had never heard of), and it said it was the only program to prevent it.

So from there I took it that there must have been quite a bit of cheating going on somewhere if we all had to have this certain program now...RACERS lobby or something, and I had heard from a lot of guys that were playing dirtfactor that people try to cheat all the time. I didn't mean everyone is cheating in rFactor it just seemed like a bigger problem over there and some of hte people that came back to dtr2 they told me that was the main reason because of people trying to cheat.

It's called Hostile Contact servers. and That is the whole reason I can't race in Rfactor or with NFR on SCE. I don't cheat, don't believe in it, but after downloading 4 or 5 different mods to run with 5 or 6 guys maybe 15 is something I get lost doing while downloading!!! To me I think everything should be like DTR2, PLUG and PLAY, not plug, download 1 million things and figure out what file to put here of there, just to race for 20 minutes, heck the SCE Daytona 500 had a diff mod to download each race, and if you didnt figure it out, oh well, guess u don't race!!! I LOVE DTR2!!!. The hardest thing to do in DTR2 id figure out where to put skins, cars and tracks when you first start.

Here is a bit of history, The developers of DTR2 was Rat Bag Games they started in 1993, Powerslide was ther first big hit in 1998 that used a highly advanced rendering system. Then came DTR1 and Lead foot and so on. The last game ever made by Rat Bag games was The Dukes of Hazzard Return of The General Lee it utilized the same engine but was actually made for the PlayStation 2 and Xbox consoles. However it was short lived because of the rebel flag on the roof of the Dukes car so it was killed quickly. They also made the game, World of Outlaws Sprint Cars 2002 for PlayStation 2. In August 2005 Ratbaggames was aquired by a company known as Midway Studios, I think it was because RBG filed bankruptcy. In December of 2005 all the employees of RBG went to work for a company named Krome Studios, In October 2010 Krome Studios closed their doors for good. In February 2009, Midway Games filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, In July 2009 Warner Bros. purchased most of Midway's assets. Recently Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, Inc. Partnered up with NetherRealm Studios, believe it or not was once called Midway Studios Owned by Edward J. Boon. They did all this to own the game Mortal Kombat and all the rights to that huge game. Believe this they still has a court date to attend this year, Thats why we havent seen a new game or even a patch for DTR2, a bunch of legal mumble jumble. maybe this information will be useful for something like the files off the other games.

BLS Jsn! wrote:

VLR_Shock wrote:

TXR_RowDy wrote:
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Well I know NFR just finished there season in rFactor SCE and I just had to download the mod and go.(some program I had never heard of), and it said it was the only program to prevent it.

So from there I took it that there must have been quite a bit of cheating going on somewhere if we all had to have this certain program now...RACERS lobby or something, and I had heard from a lot of guys that were playing dirtfactor that people try to cheat all the time. I didn't mean everyone is cheating in rFactor it just seemed like a bigger problem over there and some of hte people that came back to dtr2 they told me that was the main reason because of people trying to cheat.

It's called Hostile Contact servers. and That is the whole reason I can't race in Rfactor or with NFR on SCE. I don't cheat, don't believe in it, but after downloading 4 or 5 different mods to run with 5 or 6 guys maybe 15 is something I get lost doing while downloading!!! To me I think everything should be like DTR2, PLUG and PLAY, not plug, download 1 million things and figure out what file to put here of there, just to race for 20 minutes, heck the SCE Daytona 500 had a diff mod to download each race, and if you didnt figure it out, oh well, guess u don't race!!! I LOVE DTR2!!!. The hardest thing to do in DTR2 id figure out where to put skins, cars and tracks when you first start.

Same with me. rFactor frustrates me like crazy just spending hours trying to find the right version of a track or mod or anything. It's stupid to go through all that trouble just to race.

i know i cant get hostile lobie to work at all i know everytime i run r factor i have to get track or more skines

ok , now , if you look at the bottom of vlr home page , it shopws how many people are signed up for the website/forums - the current number is 330 , now i realize some people may have more than 1 name - but there are alot of people that have looked at this website , signed up , and we never see them race online - granted some people may prefer to race offline for what ever reason - but what can we do to get them to try racing online?

i know its not really possible , but what about vlr's upcoming monmey race? what if we had more of them? what if we had a money series? do we have to pay people to race? prizes seem to work for a little while(tshirts and trophies) but anymore its same 20 guys racing leagues

the possibility of changing the interface to allow more drivers per server would be great but i dont think will ever happen

we have some of the best tracks being made in the history of this game today with only a handful of creators

would it matter if we had more tracks? we already have some really good chassis , would it matter if we had more?

i think we need to find a way to lure more 1st timers

sigh i had a train wreck in my head , so ill stop rambling for now

ya know i love both games and i know dtr2 will die hard but the game is OLD we all know this but it cant stop all of us from moving to another racing game as a dtr2 comminity its like going from dtr1 to dtr2 there would be a diffrent story if they were making a new one but they are not. so were running out of ops