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my internet used to do the same thing shocks did last year thats why i could never finish a race, but mine would always disconnect me half way through the race i never had a chance to make it to the end

Yea so based on that rule then I don't see what Ice is trying to argue here.

AND its ONE point difference that must really matter to him huh? when the rule was correctly applied and from what I gather, even SLAMMER (ice's teammate) said that he was behind Shock.


Beat a dead horse some more.

Ok the part that really confuses me is you say that you was froze when you hit the start/finish line. But at the start/finish line Slammer was ahead of you.

BLS_F1yer wrote: i say we all run hider names and never run for points.That way we wont know who to bitch and gripe about.

Ha, i tried that and it just got me banned.

Great thread btw.

VLR_Shock wrote:

Icefighter wrote: I have 3 replays that I am posting today...Shock its the 1st time ive ever seen a car freeze and continue to go across the finish line. But you keep making up the rules as you go along to fit whatever happens to you...Im guessing its also ok to wall people since you walled me twice and your responce was well i was driving how everyone was driving me except you...So once again I get hammered and as long as its by you its ok...That seems fair too.

Hey Ice I thought this was about where I froze? Not if I walled you or not. That sounds like a personal beef.

I froze in fifth. If that's the first time you've seen a car freeze then cross the finish line then you must not remember Knoxville one week ago lmfao. I froze at the exact same spot as Volunteer and my car continued across the line even though I was sitting on the dtr2 screen reading "Disconnected from Server." I think you sent me the replay for that race since I got disconnected at the line and it too showed my car crossing the line, but I was froze just before I got to it. Same thing at Rodeo last year. I froze coming out of turn four while running fourth. Well it looked like my car kept going normal and I actually passed Woods and Wheel on the high side with a froze car, even though I am sitting on the screen where it says "Disconnected from Server." So my car crossed the line second, but I was actually in fourth when I froze, so I was awarded fourth, not second like I should if we were going by Icefighter rules.

Sure, the rule may not be your favorite rule, but it was already a rule before Sunday's race so I don't see where you get that I'm making up stuff as I go when it's the same rule that's been there for two seasons and it's been used 100% consistently every time. Maybe you should've raced at VLR more last season because I froze between turn 4 and just past the finish line about 10 times in 12 races.

Example of this rule:

If a leader has a 3 second lead and freezes with two to go, they still get the win.

If a car freezes coming out of turn 4 on the last lap running 8th, they still finish 8th.

IF A CAR FREEZES WITHIN 3 LAPS THE FIELD IS FROZEN WHERE THEY WERE RUNNING JUST BEFORE THE CAR FROZE. This is not a new rule, it's been there since last season, Ice just didn't read the rules and is trying to backtrack and make it sound like this is unprecedented at VLR.

If there are more than three laps remaining in the race any froze car restarts at the tail of the field. If you freeze again, you're done.

OK Ill answer this one point by point

#1 It has nothing to do with a personal beef I was just illistrating how you are ok with yourself breaking the rules. And if it is ok to wall people in your series please put that in your rules because otherwise i think most series' have a problem with that.

#2 Last week at Knox you may have froze but at the line but you didnt lose any spots before you crossed the line either.


#3 Please post the replay from Rodeo that you are talking about so people can see it instead of "just cause you said so and its your series"

#4 You say your car froze coming out of turn 4 but you also said it does only does it at the start/finish line...Which one was it or do you just get to make that up as you go along too?

And here is another rule directly from your rules page:
4.You must save your full replay after each race in case there is a complaint or protest against you. We will review replays. If you do not have your replay you may be penalized and stripped of a victory if you won the race.

There was a complaint/protest against you. But big surprise you couldnt save your replay. And since it was you i assume once again no penalty! I may be reading to much into that rule but i assume its for any spot not for someone who wins.

XCR*FL1NNER wrote: Yea so based on that rule then I don't see what Ice is trying to argue here.

AND its ONE point difference that must really matter to him huh? when the rule was correctly applied and from what I gather, even SLAMMER (ice's teammate) said that he was behind Shock.


Beat a dead horse some more.

That's what I didn't get. If Slammer had done the same thing he would have been awarded fifth. The rule has never been used any different since it was put in place last year. I'm not gonna win the championship this season anyway, and whether I finished fifth or six isn't gonna change that fact

Icefighter wrote: Ok the part that really confuses me is you say that you was froze when you hit the start/finish line. But at the start/finish line Slammer was ahead of you.

On my screen, my game went to the "Disconnected from Server" screen right as the front of my car was getting ready to cross the s/f line. But on the replays my car shot down toward the infield about 150 feet before that, which is when on my screen I thought I saw slammer cut down under me. I was still ahead of him at the line whenever I got disconnected on my screen. I will just have my HD Camcorder on and running in the future so I will technically have a replay that shows when I shift and everything as well.

So you disconnected right before the line but every replay shows something besides that...Then your own rules say you need to make sure you have a replay. Well everyone that has a replay shows something different than what you are saying. So instead of following your own rules (again) you are ok with you not having a replay and expect everyone to take you at your word and say the hell with the replays and screen shots. If im wrong please let me know where.

Icefighter wrote:

VLR_Shock wrote:

Icefighter wrote: I have 3 replays that I am posting today...Shock its the 1st time ive ever seen a car freeze and continue to go across the finish line. But you keep making up the rules as you go along to fit whatever happens to you...Im guessing its also ok to wall people since you walled me twice and your responce was well i was driving how everyone was driving me except you...So once again I get hammered and as long as its by you its ok...That seems fair too.

Hey Ice I thought this was about where I froze? Not if I walled you or not. That sounds like a personal beef.

I froze in fifth. If that's the first time you've seen a car freeze then cross the finish line then you must not remember Knoxville one week ago lmfao. I froze at the exact same spot as Volunteer and my car continued across the line even though I was sitting on the dtr2 screen reading "Disconnected from Server." I think you sent me the replay for that race since I got disconnected at the line and it too showed my car crossing the line, but I was froze just before I got to it. Same thing at Rodeo last year. I froze coming out of turn four while running fourth. Well it looked like my car kept going normal and I actually passed Woods and Wheel on the high side with a froze car, even though I am sitting on the screen where it says "Disconnected from Server." So my car crossed the line second, but I was actually in fourth when I froze, so I was awarded fourth, not second like I should if we were going by Icefighter rules.

Sure, the rule may not be your favorite rule, but it was already a rule before Sunday's race so I don't see where you get that I'm making up stuff as I go when it's the same rule that's been there for two seasons and it's been used 100% consistently every time. Maybe you should've raced at VLR more last season because I froze between turn 4 and just past the finish line about 10 times in 12 races.

Example of this rule:

If a leader has a 3 second lead and freezes with two to go, they still get the win.

If a car freezes coming out of turn 4 on the last lap running 8th, they still finish 8th.

IF A CAR FREEZES WITHIN 3 LAPS THE FIELD IS FROZEN WHERE THEY WERE RUNNING JUST BEFORE THE CAR FROZE. This is not a new rule, it's been there since last season, Ice just didn't read the rules and is trying to backtrack and make it sound like this is unprecedented at VLR.

If there are more than three laps remaining in the race any froze car restarts at the tail of the field. If you freeze again, you're done.

OK Ill answer this one point by point

#1 It has nothing to do with a personal beef I was just illistrating how you are ok with yourself breaking the rules. And if it is ok to wall people in your series please put that in your rules because otherwise i think most series' have a problem with that.

#2 Last week at Knox you may have froze but at the line but you didnt lose any spots before you crossed the line either.


#3 Please post the replay from Rodeo that you are talking about so people can see it instead of "just cause you said so and its your series"

#4 You say your car froze coming out of turn 4 but you also said it does only does it at the start/finish line...Which one was it or do you just get to make that up as you go along too?

And here is another rule directly from your rules page:
4.You must save your full replay after each race in case there is a complaint or protest against you. We will review replays. If you do not have your replay you may be penalized and stripped of a victory if you won the race.

There was a complaint/protest against you. But big surprise you couldnt save your replay. And since it was you i assume once again no penalty! I may be reading to much into that rule but i assume its for any spot not for someone who wins.

This is hilarious Ice. You're letting your personal feelings make you come off as a crybaby since your argument was proven wrong on about the third post of this thread.

1. The only rule that was broken Sunday was "Ice's rules that all leagues must follow." Because the RULE that VLR uses that HAS BEEN on the VLR site since early this year was the one that was followed TO A T. Yet you keep saying a rule was broken. I'm sorry that VLR doesn't go off Ice's rulebook for dtr2 fairness.

2. It doesn't matter when the freeze happens. The field is frozen at the point within three laps. Refer to the rule that we followed in point #1.

3. Ok I will.

4. My car freezes in turn 4 sometimes, and sometimes at the start/finish line. Usually it freezes at the start/finish line, but people will see me being froze coming out of turn 4. I haven't made up anything in this post. You're the one making up stuff by saying the rule wasn't followed. It's funny. We don't follow Ice's rule at VLR. Maybe you can write our rule book for next season and then you can make all the calls if you'd prefer that.

4? Again? COULDN'T save my replay is different from WOULDN'T. There is nothing to complain about. I didn't wreck anyone or cause anyone to lose position. There was a rule for exactly what happened to me, and so there's nothing to complain about. All you can do is complain about the rule, and by God you have definitely done that. Good Night you punk ass niggr

Hell Geisler, Ice doesn't know what he's arguing about at this point. But he loves to argue, so here we are! 5 pages later

VLR_Shock wrote:

Icefighter wrote:

VLR_Shock wrote:

Icefighter wrote: I have 3 replays that I am posting today...Shock its the 1st time ive ever seen a car freeze and continue to go across the finish line. But you keep making up the rules as you go along to fit whatever happens to you...Im guessing its also ok to wall people since you walled me twice and your responce was well i was driving how everyone was driving me except you...So once again I get hammered and as long as its by you its ok...That seems fair too.

Hey Ice I thought this was about where I froze? Not if I walled you or not. That sounds like a personal beef.

I froze in fifth. If that's the first time you've seen a car freeze then cross the finish line then you must not remember Knoxville one week ago lmfao. I froze at the exact same spot as Volunteer and my car continued across the line even though I was sitting on the dtr2 screen reading "Disconnected from Server." I think you sent me the replay for that race since I got disconnected at the line and it too showed my car crossing the line, but I was froze just before I got to it. Same thing at Rodeo last year. I froze coming out of turn four while running fourth. Well it looked like my car kept going normal and I actually passed Woods and Wheel on the high side with a froze car, even though I am sitting on the screen where it says "Disconnected from Server." So my car crossed the line second, but I was actually in fourth when I froze, so I was awarded fourth, not second like I should if we were going by Icefighter rules.

Sure, the rule may not be your favorite rule, but it was already a rule before Sunday's race so I don't see where you get that I'm making up stuff as I go when it's the same rule that's been there for two seasons and it's been used 100% consistently every time. Maybe you should've raced at VLR more last season because I froze between turn 4 and just past the finish line about 10 times in 12 races.

Example of this rule:

If a leader has a 3 second lead and freezes with two to go, they still get the win.

If a car freezes coming out of turn 4 on the last lap running 8th, they still finish 8th.

IF A CAR FREEZES WITHIN 3 LAPS THE FIELD IS FROZEN WHERE THEY WERE RUNNING JUST BEFORE THE CAR FROZE. This is not a new rule, it's been there since last season, Ice just didn't read the rules and is trying to backtrack and make it sound like this is unprecedented at VLR.

If there are more than three laps remaining in the race any froze car restarts at the tail of the field. If you freeze again, you're done.

OK Ill answer this one point by point

#1 It has nothing to do with a personal beef I was just illistrating how you are ok with yourself breaking the rules. And if it is ok to wall people in your series please put that in your rules because otherwise i think most series' have a problem with that.

#2 Last week at Knox you may have froze but at the line but you didnt lose any spots before you crossed the line either.


#3 Please post the replay from Rodeo that you are talking about so people can see it instead of "just cause you said so and its your series"

#4 You say your car froze coming out of turn 4 but you also said it does only does it at the start/finish line...Which one was it or do you just get to make that up as you go along too?

And here is another rule directly from your rules page:
4.You must save your full replay after each race in case there is a complaint or protest against you. We will review replays. If you do not have your replay you may be penalized and stripped of a victory if you won the race.

There was a complaint/protest against you. But big surprise you couldnt save your replay. And since it was you i assume once again no penalty! I may be reading to much into that rule but i assume its for any spot not for someone who wins.

This is hilarious Ice. You're letting your personal feelings make you come off as a crybaby since your argument was proven wrong on about the third post of this thread.

1. The only rule that was broken Sunday was "Ice's rules that all leagues must follow." Because the RULE that VLR uses that HAS BEEN on the VLR site since early this year was the one that was followed TO A T. Yet you keep saying a rule was broken. I'm sorry that VLR doesn't go off Ice's rulebook for dtr2 fairness.

2. It doesn't matter when the freeze happens. The field is frozen at the point within three laps. Refer to the rule that we followed in point #1.

3. Ok I will.

4. My car freezes in turn 4 sometimes, and sometimes at the start/finish line. Usually it freezes at the start/finish line, but people will see me being froze coming out of turn 4. I haven't made up anything in this post. You're the one making up stuff by saying the rule wasn't followed. It's funny. We don't follow Ice's rule at VLR. Maybe you can write our rule book for next season and then you can make all the calls if you'd prefer that.

4? Again? COULDN'T save my replay is different from WOULDN'T. There is nothing to complain about. I didn't wreck anyone or cause anyone to lose position. There was a rule for exactly what happened to me, and so there's nothing to complain about. All you can do is complain about the rule, and by God you have definitely done that. Good Night you punk ass niggr

Again! Tell me did you freeze at the start/finish line or out of turn 4? And who is surprised that instead of going by the 3 replays that you were sent that your just going to say "its my series and I dont have to listen to anyone"

And another thing...Your car didnt seem to really start acting like it warped out until just after it crossed the start/finish line....Kinda weird huh?

On my screen I froze right at the start finish line. On your screen I froze about 150 feet before that. I thought I already said that one post ago? And what's weird about that? My car losing all power and heading toward the infield with no control was because I just thought the finish line was in turn 4? I'm gonna try to find the Rodeo replay and post it real quick. I'm sorry Ice, but you have been wrong on every single thing in this thread. I think it's funny how a few weeks back you were saying how I was breaking a rule and now you're mad at me for following the rule. If Slammer was given 5th then you would probably come back just to argue with me saying I didn't follow the VLR rules LMFAO

Please show a shred of proof. Post the replays from last night and let people look them over. Let me guess you dont want everyone to see those.

Plus you want to bring up a rodeo race let me jog your memory...You had a big lead with about 20 laps to go at the VLR finale when there was a caution. For last 20 laps you walled me and Wheel at least once a lap and after the race your reaction was "Well I had such a big lead that it wasnt fair that you guys got a caution so i did what i had to to win" I really gotta remember that rule that you can wall someone!

Icefighter wrote: So you disconnected right before the line but every replay shows something besides that...Then your own rules say you need to make sure you have a replay. Well everyone that has a replay shows something different than what you are saying. So instead of following your own rules (again) you are ok with you not having a replay and expect everyone to take you at your word and say the hell with the replays and screen shots. If im wrong please let me know where.

Everyone's replay shows me ahead of Slammer when I froze.

Post the replays Ice, you're the one that sent them to me, and posted some screenshots on here. Post whatever you like son. I love how you keep changing the subject to personal beefs you've had with me in the past that have nothing to do with last night's race since you were already proven wrong on the very first page, so now you're backtracking.

Funny i never seen your car freeze...But hey its your league you get to apply the rules as long as they help you.

I never backtracked once. You still have not proven anything to anyone except "because I know I beat him to the line" Remember everyone your replays dont mean anything whenever they are against shock at vlr. He dont have to have one and if yours show something different it dont matter cause it is his series!

plus i am not the one with 2 different stories.

"Well I froze at the start finish line and I was ahead of SLammer but on everyones replay for some unknown reason i appeared to freeze coming out of turn 4."