In the end the only thing that will kill DTR2 is the lack of editors.People can race all day long but running the same old tracks isnt enough anymore.Some more people are gonna have to step up and help carry the torch for editing.I feel Shock is done with editing on dtr2 and rightly so.He has worked on DTR2 for years making it a better game and its about damn time he got some pussy!(GO SHOCK!)....Jammin has stepped back to spend time with his kids as he too has given countless hours working on DTR2.I feel at times that i am at the end of my rope with making stuff for any game anymore,so who knows.Raymond is the last of a dying breed and unless people step up and learn this stuff you can kiss DTR2 goodbye.Im always hearing,oh F1 why dont you make me some tutorials or cna you show me how to use rhino,,,well i always say no because i know these people have no idea how the basics of DTR2 works.Every one of us track editors have helped people in the past and 98% of them never even get their first track in the game after they see how much work is involved in it and then we have wasted precious time trying to help them.Hopefully this will get through some of you thickheads and someone will learn how to do some of this stuff and if not then RIP DTR2.