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to start off with - this is just an idea - im not trying to affect any change

im not trying to ruffle any feathers , but i am asking for input and maybe some people to take a look at the way we use our current "restart" policy

not so much at the begining of the race , but once lap 1 has been recorded and in the books

this is what happened to me at a recent race :
start the feature 3rd , ran as high as 2nd , got passed by 2 cars
at this point im running 4th and in a battle for 3rd , with the 3rd place car
the 3rd place car is expiriencing some warp , and on my screen kinda jumping around on the track
so i pick a line i think is where the 3rd place car is not
ultimately i got wrecked by the warping car , and spun out and once i regained control of my car , i was in 8th place

ok , that being said
in the league i was running , they have in place a rule that states something to the effect that if a car freezes on the track , anyone can call a "caution" or restart
and the feild will be re-lined up in the current running order as of the time of caution

my i idea is not so much with that , but part of it is to "re-word" that part of the rule

i think it should read something like
"if a car freezes on the track during race action , it will be considered one single car caution and the rest of the field will line up according to current place on track when caution was called"

now , after the race i was invloved in , we talked about it and the promoter said to me "why didnt you call a caution"
i wasnt entirely sure at thepoint of contact with the other car that this was even an option for a restart

thats why i gathered my self and continued on with the race in 8th place half a track length behind the leaders

so here is my idea - good or bad? please give input

if a wreck is to happen during race action , because of a warping car , i think this should be called a multiple car caution
and the party calling the caution , should not be given thier spot back where they were racing when the contact happen
this would seem more real life , because racing acidents do happen , and i dont think its entirely fair to give a spot back to someone who was invloved in stopping the race
the person calling the caution should be lined up at the tail of the field
this to me is not penalizing the person for calling the caution , because it is realigning the field and stacking everyone up again
instead of doing what i did , and catching the field half a track back , which is more of a penalty , because trying to make time up on fast cars in pretty dern difficult in this game

to the point that a car was warping and wrecked another car , unintentionally , the warp car can be given the option to start the tail also or pull pitside and take what ever may be the lowest position available for points at that point in the race action

so it would like like this during race action :
car1 , car2 , car3 , car4 , car5 , car6 , car7 , car8
all running....car3 + car4 in battle for position
car4 warps , wrecking car3
caution is called by car3 , the feild is frozen
reset after caution would like like this :
car1 , car2 , car5 , car6 , car7 , car8 , car3 , car4(option)

like i said , this is just an idea , im not trying to affect any change , just maybe get us thinking and talking about how we look at things that do happen in the game

i hope all that makes sense , if not please ask , and i will clarify anything as best i can

I like the idea of what your getting at with this, but I think the biggest problem would be is if you have guys running 8th and 9th and one gets wrecked...the other says its warp when they just got behind and wanted to catch back up to the field

i did not think of that
at least speaking from my case
more than just myself saw the other car warping

and to what you are saying , i would equate that in "real" life racing as to a car slowing on track to pull a yellow , even tho nothing is wrong
it does happen around where i live , someone gets screwed and wants to pack the field instead of just continuing car lengths behind
so locally tracks have adpoted the rule of 2 yellows per car whether its a single car or multi car caution

instead of doing the multi caution rule (just an idea) we could say if ... IF one were to call a caution for no real apparent reason (no one else was witness to what ever may have happened) , then the person calling caution could be penalized and given last place for that event

just thinking out loud

yeh I like the idea and in this case I would have liked to know that I was the one warping. I would have just left the race so there was not any more problems caused. I am really sorry about how that happened and that you ended up with the raw deal.

But I believe it would be benificial to have a caution/restart rule that alows a person that was involved in a multi car pile up to be able to rejoin the field. i.e. someone cant jusxt spin to get a restart there must be contact involved. And if someone cals a restart make sure and save the replay so there is proof of the contact. I think that would cure a lot of the propblems that could possibly occur. And to clarify by contact I mean enough contact to cause you to spin not just a fender bender.

Just my 2 cents
BLKJAK

In real dirt track racing, if the caution comes out for you or anyone that sitting on the track you go to the rear of the field if you keep your car in motion then you get your running spot back. So lets say you get hit from behind and you spinout and yell caution, you will go to the rear of the field in 10th, but you might have saved it, got turned around and only lost a spot or two had you not yelled for a caution.
I don't know felles if we could ever get this to work fairly or not.
At Doit in the Mars Series we only have 1 restart, then its a race and whatever happends just happends and after the race we look at the confortations and make judgement calls and points adjustments (penalties or position swapping)to help the victim of a unforseen circumstances get some justice.
We try out level best to make a wrong a right, most the time it ends up ok. but once in a wile you just need the Right Call,

If a team wants to entertain the idea of cautions for other than a froze car I will certainly support them and help with any Ideas I can come up with to help make it work.

i havent ran any of the doit races recently
i know they run with damage on
i know we tried it years ago , but i dont recall the outcome
if with damage on , can the game call cuations , like in single player offline mode?

i know what im initially suggesting in my first post would be extremely hard to work and get into a place with a structure that would be fair and set in stone , with no grey area

but it was just a thought i had

No yellows, but if you are wreckless and hit cars, your car will take on damage as well as the car you hit and can sideline both cars (like real Racing) you could be put out by another drivers bad judgement.

If someone could figure out how to do Computer Controlled cautions that would be great! We have a track here in Indiana (Putnamville) that has a policy, that if you are involved in a caution one time, all parties leave the racing surface!

BLS Jsn! wrote: If someone could figure out how to do Computer Controlled cautions that would be great! We have a track here in Indiana (Putnamville) that has a policy, that if you are involved in a caution one time, all parties leave the racing surface!

YES too bad we cant make it like Rfactor with the cautions.


Especially at the Super Dirt Series races.

as far as i know there no way to make game do online yellows if we could find a way ti unpack and redo some original game files then maybe but easer said than done i think its a cool idea and here a thought keep replays if partys involed lie to get a restart dq them for night if the cars havent left track or fliped over id call yellow stop all cars at flag stand in order they xare or get them in order then retsart race next lap just though

and what would you make the call if you were taken out from behind? at some track they give the car that was wrecked its spot back and the person causing the car to spin be put to the rear.
For example at a late model race three late models were battling for 3rd the 4th place car tried to take out 3rd place but failed but in the process it caused the 5th place car spin from contact from the other two cars. The call on the track ended up sending both the 3rd and 4th place cars to the rear and the 5th place car got his spot back even when he brought out the caution.

If I remember right the only time the computer will call a yellow in single player mode is when a computer car is wrecked so bad that it is out of the race.

Icefighter wrote: If I remember right the only time the computer will call a yellow in single player mode is when a computer car is wrecked so bad that it is out of the race.

Either that or its on its roof/side too long and can't get back to its wheels.

You would know J-Mac

ERL_J-MAC wrote:

Icefighter wrote: If I remember right the only time the computer will call a yellow in single player mode is when a computer car is wrecked so bad that it is out of the race.

Either that or its on its roof/side too long and can't get back to its wheels.

Which means its black flagged and out of the race

Icefighter wrote:

ERL_J-MAC wrote:

Icefighter wrote: If I remember right the only time the computer will call a yellow in single player mode is when a computer car is wrecked so bad that it is out of the race.

Either that or its on its roof/side too long and can't get back to its wheels.

Which means its black flagged and out of the race

You only said wrecked. I've ran many 8 track races where I've flipped, can't get back to my wheels and ended up black flagged with a perfectly well running car.

FOR Tryed running unlimited cautions tonight.. didnt work. Id woulda like to have raced BLS_34 for more than 5 laps at a time SMH.

ERL_J-MAC wrote:

Icefighter wrote:

ERL_J-MAC wrote:

Icefighter wrote: If I remember right the only time the computer will call a yellow in single player mode is when a computer car is wrecked so bad that it is out of the race.

Either that or its on its roof/side too long and can't get back to its wheels.

Which means its black flagged and out of the race

You only said wrecked. I've ran many 8 track races where I've flipped, can't get back to my wheels and ended up black flagged with a perfectly well running car.

If your on your roof I doubt your car is "Perfectly Running"

XCR*Geisler wrote: FOR Tryed running unlimited cautions tonight.. didnt work. Id woulda like to have raced BLS_34 for more than 5 laps at a time SMH.

Unlimited Cautions at FOR is like a race within a race. They're racing to finish the show before the world ends. It's close!

Icefighter wrote:

ERL_J-MAC wrote:

Icefighter wrote:

ERL_J-MAC wrote:

Icefighter wrote: If I remember right the only time the computer will call a yellow in single player mode is when a computer car is wrecked so bad that it is out of the race.

Either that or its on its roof/side too long and can't get back to its wheels.

Which means its black flagged and out of the race

You only said wrecked. I've ran many 8 track races where I've flipped, can't get back to my wheels and ended up black flagged with a perfectly well running car.

If your on your roof I doubt your car is "Perfectly Running"

Engine was running at around 90% when I went to go repair after that.