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Hi Shock,
Thanks again for that link for downloading Rhino.

I have Rhino running. Had trouble getting conversions done to raw file. However, I think that's all sorted. Pretty certain anyway as converd to CSV(MSDOS) file.
What I feel is missing in the tutorial is the next step after you import into Rhino. I get the black dots which I can change to yellow ones. There's no triangles. Which command do I use to get the triangles like the other files that have been left inside tracks and cars I've downloded in the past? One Sprintcar for instance had a PSP file inside. This was brilliant and could turn easily be edited. Turnit into a Rhino 3dm and still editable. Not mine. Sad, lol.


Question...??

How do I convert to PSP..? I feel dumb asking, but that's where I'm at with it. Not too sure if conversion from txt via Excel is correct but Macros are in place and hidden files unchecked.I believe I have done everything right to tutorial.
I only can get a series of dots. No triangles. Only the files from the others are correct. Hope I have given you enough info to help sort it.
Many thnx..
Paul D

hi paul ill take a few screenshots on how i do the convert from csv to raw instead of using the macros(its alot easier than u think),after i get home from work.

Hey Paul your first question about black dots to yellow ones. I don't really understand it but if it's what I think your talking about then do this...

Import in the file to Rhino and put your mouse of the track and click. The whole track will turn Yellow, then you press F10 and all the dots and stuff will show up and then you will be able to edit with no limits. As for PSP I'm not sure what you are talking about there...hopefully F1yer's stuff will be able to help you.

cool guys. The PSP I'm referring to came with the fiule from our site called 'Austalian Sprintcars' It had several CSV folders but one very important one being a PSP type folder called 'Mopar', which was really cool to see when I opened it in Rhino. Showed the entire car with the triangles which meant it was easy to see. Also very Easy to edit. Look forward to more info. I will be on line from now till atleast 11 tonight Pacific time guys. Will keep persevering with it.

Another one was Albany-Saratoga being a track I downloaded from somewhere. Thought it was from this site no. That track has PSP folders left inside it. I opened it and sure enough it shows entire track with triangles. Press F10 and away I go (control points on). I simply right click with mouse where I want to edit and choose the mesh point and move to where I want it. If I can get it to this stage, this old man will be lost in another world.
I think too if this system (PSP) editing could be explained then editing could be embraced by many; like Kindergarten stuff, I'm sure that others will start editing and we could get swamped with tracks and cars. Wouldn't that be great.
Update....
I opened a new track in CSVed program and if I save as an all file, it shows up as a PSP. However, the Rhino doesn't recognise it so editing it within CSVed obviously has to take place. I am determined to get it sorted. Will keep trying.

yo paul i know the psp file ur talkin about and it is the raw file.when i installd my psp program the files automatically changed them to open with psp instead of notepad or nethign else.im about to make those screenshots and post them and it should get u through ur problems.

thanks flyer, I'll be online waiting. May need the proper PSP program too ha?
Just a thought too. If we had a group of these PSP files bit like the De2 files with highlighting in, then that would make it even easier.

hi paul im uploading the files right now and no u will not need the psp program to use this.all u need is excel and then rhino to edit the files.

cool mate

I got the upload, will check it out get right back to ya' Thanx mate

I deleted those columns. when I'm saving it to txt MSDOS I notice it doesn't print the .txt at end to change to raw. The image is just the dotted one, so what am I doing wrong?

u need to go into your control panel/folder options/view and make sure u have :hide extensions for known file types unchecked.then u can go in and change the txt to raw.

cool. That's something I never thought about. will try and get back to ya flyer., Tahnx.

did all that help ya paul?

I wished I could say yes. One thing that did change was when I changed the txt to raw, the file automatically changed to a PSP, which is great, but sadly, Rhino won't recognize it. Got me baffled. I must be going mad. Will keep trying different combinations.

when opening it in rhino u need to open the file as a raw
save that on ur pc and u can zoom in on it

Sorry, had a malfunction with a 32 bt file. No doubt the computer didn't like the change. I did try to open that file with triangle raw, but because it will only accept PSP's then I'm stuck with the other being all files. Have tried just about everything on that list and still the same result. Has to be the format it comes in from with Excel. I have tried saving all various ways, including with the macros and without as well as saving in txt and CSV types of MSDOS. Unless I can have them in the PSP format, then I will still get the same view unless it's converted by someone that knows what they're doin, which would be a blow for me, but hey, something comes along like this and it's probably something with XP or the way I hold my mouth. I feel really stupid regardless. My computer is now up and running again so I will try all combination's again. Will let you know.. Thanx for being there for me Flyer and you too Shock... Appreciate it.

hey paul if u could take a screenshot of what the problem ur havin in rhino it would maybe take some guesswork out of it

Okay, prob take a good number of pics. I think with the change over, the raw becomes a PSP which is great. The first two conversions now work. I have a teardrop banked track from DTR1 ready and a LM car. The prob now is, the compatibility of Excel means that the columns come in differently. All grouped a bit like after deleting those columns you showed me. Also, Excel won't fire up when oipening from a csv file like it did before.
Running Macros is useless as numbers disappear now leaving nothing on the spreadsheet. I have tried to convert Excel back to original format by bringing in one that works being from the Albany-Saratoga track. That one has the normal columns like before. Run Macros and there it is. Save it in txt(MSDOS) and then change the file name from txt to raw and it now changes automatically to a PSP file. Open in Rhino, and there it is.
The problem I face now is getting to create that first first CSV file that opens in Excel with the gaps in columns before they need to be deleted. Any suggestions on how to train Excel? Sounds a bit like working with stupid Vista!!!!!.
Converting is useless at this time until I can change Excel. I see the other folders are Comma Separated Value files with the (a) in Excel box and they work fine. Maybe its the fact I'm running 2007 Microsoft Excel? But have tried saving in 1996-2003 version and still nothing. It's so strange that the others I did before now work and are editable. If you can pinpoint from this. Great. I don't want to take up meaningless space in Forum, but will put in a couple being Excel's problems. See if that helps. Thanx Flyer.
And sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner but my son arrived from work and couldn't get back on this computer. The other is my old hack for editing. XP is a whole lot better to work with than Vista. Well, maybe.

First when opening in Excel I get this.


This is how it now comes in to Excel.. Already grouped.




However, with the early conversion, they now finally show up looking like this which is great.


Pity I can't get anymore like it but atleast I don't feel it's been a complete waste of day..

Hey Paul,
I'll see if I can help. It looks like when you imported the file into Excel you did something wrong...I believe it should be spaces where the commas are, and I was reading the file name and it said wholetrack111.TXT I believe. It should not a .txt file that you import into Excel.

When you export the de2 file from the de2 editor you are supposed to export it as Object Polygons and save it as a .csv file.

Once you save it as a .csv hopefully that will get rid of the problem you are having in Excel and allow you to open it in Rhino. It looks good once you get it in Rhino.