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There were 6 people present at the Right Call assumed that the way the rules wer written that there were no subs allowed on the first race of the season and if that is not correct the VLR rules say nothing about if your tied then is ok to sub for a driver.

By locking the thread isn't going to make this go away. nobody said Shock was cheating just said you were not going by VLR's writting rules,

Right Call is here to stay and anybody can use it. Right Call is for anyone that got screw by a driver or a promoter or the rules of any league was not adhered to. Right Call is for all participants of DTR2. I think Shock would like to see your rights for representation go away.

Shock made a Right Call decision last year against WFO_ice about his rules where he was an instigator in the Right Call that forced Wfo_ice to change his written rules .

COPYED from the also locked Right Call forum (way to go Shock lock it up to)

Right Call for WFO_Stealth vs. WFO_ICE
1/31/11
WFO
Georgetown Speedway

Incident:
The WFO rules say this was a Level two incident, which would mean every driver would move up a spot due to the incident, and the offender (ICE) would receive last.

However, this was determined to be to severe for the incident that took place on the last lap.

The group voted after much deliberation to drop it to a Level one even though it didn't fit the criteria, because the punishment was deemed more appropriate for the criteria determined in Level one on the WFO rules.

There will be a clearer definition of the rules on WFO's website if another incident occurs in the future like this.

Lesson: A league's rules may be over turned by the Right Call in a situation like this if there is not clear enough definitions of the rule.

Arbitrators: Doit 5, WFO_Rainman, VLR_Shock, and VLR_Rampage
Type of Arbitration: Right then right there

All this was was a rule clarification. The one from WFO was completely different from how it was written. Such as you said JW couldn't have a sub for the first race of the season...that's not true. Anyone can have anybody sub for them in the first race of the season. So your argument didn't even make sense which means you must not have read the rules as close as you thought.

If thats what you meant by except on the first race then that would make you and JW tied, where does it say if your tied in points you can sub for a team mate again on the 2nd week, on the contrary it does say that you have to have less points to sub for someone. you say you did it last year, so your saying for 2 years in a row you dupped the players of DTR2 to keep a team mate in the top 10. Hey I didn't write the VLR rules , you did, there was 10 people in vent discussing it and want to know what your going to do about it. Your reply was anyone who thinks that this is unfair or 'cheating' or has never been done before at VLR, you don't have to race it. Is that a good reply and example for not going by VLR Written rules. THEN YOU LOCKED THE THREAD.
Common mr. I got autographs cause im the baddest DTR driver. take the 2nd week of points from VLR_JW and give him one sub back and take 40 points from yours for screwing over people last year. Its a un fair advantage for VLR to have subbed the 2nd week for a team mate. please adjust the points and rewrite your rules to clairify what your doing.

We want the real refs back!

I know I have no dog in this argument, but I would like to (respectfully) make a point that may help clear up the first "rule infraction". As a school teacher, I think I am making a good point since it's based on wording of a sentence. I'm not trying to step on you at all Karl, so please don't get upset with me. =D

The first infraction is over how a rule was worded. "Whoever your sub driver is must be LOWER than you in the point standings, unless it is the first race of the season." This is the correct way to word what Shock's trying to say. Try replacing part of the rule with a different stipulation and it makes sense. If Shock would've written "Whoever your sub driver is it has to be a man, unless it is the first race of the season." It would stand to reason that subs have to be men and the only time a woman could race would be the first race of the season. Carry this over to the actual rule "Whoever your sub driver is must be LOWER than you in the point standings, unless it is the first race of the season." It stands to reason that subs have to be lower in the points and the only time points standings don't matter is the first race (where no one has points anyways, thus no one can be higher or lower than one another).

Make sense Karl?

Go Panthers!

I havent ran for points at VLR in some time but ever since i remember its been this way.I however dont like being able to have a sub driver for the first race but it is what it is,and i think i actually did get a sub for the first race the last time i ran for VLR points lol.

I also got a speeding ticket trying to get home to make a VLR event also!

Honestly, I feel the same way you do Lazyman, but have used subs b4 as well. Also feel same as Shock tho..those are the rules and you don't hafta race if you dont want to. I, on the other hand(if I ever run a league) feel to make it as realistic as possible to allow no subs AND you actually have driver introductions where you identify yourself and where you're from.

Lazy3 wrote: Personally I think ya need to just throw the "sub" rule out the window period! I mean wtf! This is a dam game and some folks actually do put a lot of time into practicing and preparing for a race.Please explain to me how the hell it is fair! I mean last nights race Fas made 31 pts. A2D isnt even here and he gets 31 pts also,so in reality Fas made 62 pts and just split em with his team mate.Who just so happens to be leading points and because he didnt show up and still got "free" points hes still leading.On the other hand if he didnt get "free" points he would be 8th or 9th in standings now. The "sub rule" is BS! period! Ya cant win if ya dont play! It should be fair play for everyone! If you want to be in the points race then you need to show up and race.Yes its sometimes unfortunate that unforseen circumstances arise that we cant control.But so be it,thats just life,ca-ca happens! Ya take it in stride and go on.When this does happen though,ya would think it would give one more desire to show up next time and drive his azz off to make up the ground he lost.This is only my opinion,however I will never understand how its fair to give someone points when they arent participating! I move to throw the sub rule out! period! "NO SUBS"! Show up and race or you dont get paid!

Well Lazy, thats why you run your series, and shock runs our series....
"Ya cant win if youre not there"
Well, when he was there, he won the 1st 2 weeks.
If you ran your nuts off for 2 weeks and won the first 2 races...
and something comes up with work,kids,family etc
you should be able to ask for a sub.you also cant call a restart on the 1st lap can ya?
you also cant flip your car in hot laps and then have a brand new car in the heat.
Were not racing for $
like you said, its a game...not real life. If it were real life then we couldnt travel from Speedway City Australia to Lasalle in one night. you want real life go down to your local racetrack. rules are rules, you dont like the rules thats your own opinion. it helps a lot of people out. its convenient if something comes up. Ive used a sub this year just because i had REAL LIFE racing last sunday night. Rules are rules, nobody forced you to come. not being a prick, i could see if you were fighting for the pt lead with A2D, but rlly whats the sense of arguing???? isn't one. im just voicing my opinion like you did yours.

Real life tracks dont have a 45 minute drivers meeting before heats either...
Real life tracks dont wait for "Certain Drivers" to arrive before they put heat lineups out...
Real life tracks dont do 14 sets of hot laps waiting for the guy who cant get his car started right away before they start a heat...

We could do this all day Lazy...
If this was real life, nobody would need DTR2, because we all go to real races all the time...
We do this knowing that "its not like real life where you have to pay for all your damages, or race for $"
Its a game, for NO money.
If a driver 17th in points went up to a real life promoter of a track telling them they dont know how to run their series, and its bull how the person 1st place in points driver got let into a race off provisionals, and 17th place in points didnt....They would get laughed at and get told to get the hell out of his track.

VLR_McGee wrote: Honestly, I feel the same way you do Lazyman, but have used subs b4 as well. Also feel same as Shock tho..those are the rules and you don't hafta race if you dont want to. I, on the other hand(if I ever run a league) feel to make it as realistic as possible to allow no subs AND you actually have driver introductions where you identify yourself and where you're from.

So mute people or those who forget where they are from can't race? Even if they are bad fast and/or have someone that can assist them on occasion?

BLS_F1yer wrote: I also got a speeding ticket trying to get home to make a VLR event also!

Proof that Shock's sub rule not only helps racers out in a time of crisis, but also helps keep the roads safer for everyone.

VC76 wrote:

VLR_McGee wrote: Honestly, I feel the same way you do Lazyman, but have used subs b4 as well. Also feel same as Shock tho..those are the rules and you don't hafta race if you dont want to. I, on the other hand(if I ever run a league) feel to make it as realistic as possible to allow no subs AND you actually have driver introductions where you identify yourself and where you're from.

So mute people or those who forget where they are from can't race? Even if they are bad fast and/or have someone that can assist them on occasion?

Ya they can race but I'll still mute them if I want 2 Also can remember a few who forgot where they're from and I blamed Mama Tiger last night for not assisting me when I got out front and missed my marks looking up at lap times

Damn $hitty spotters! SMH

Joe she asked me how I lost so I hadta come up with the best excuse I could. She loved the Panthers comment 2 LOL.

haha they suck,their coaching staff sucks the owner sucks.I wish theyd do good again but that mexican coach aint worth a squirt of $hit!

All I gotta say is Rusty never asked me to call lap times so PFFT on him! He said he was "scared" to ask me cuz I was playin' my game. Pro-football bores me now ... except for the timeout last nite the Eagles' coach made right before the Giants missed the first attempt at the final field goal. Now that woulda been fun if they'd made the second attempt!

On a totally seperate note, thx for the giggles Flyer, but I coulda done without the squirt of poo.

Karl wrote: If thats what you meant by except on the first race then that would make you and JW tied, where does it say if your tied in points you can sub for a team mate again on the 2nd week, on the contrary it does say that you have to have less points to sub for someone. you say you did it last year, so your saying for 2 years in a row you dupped the players of DTR2 to keep a team mate in the top 10. Hey I didn't write the VLR rules , you did, there was 10 people in vent discussing it and want to know what your going to do about it. Your reply was anyone who thinks that this is unfair or 'cheating' or has never been done before at VLR, you don't have to race it. Is that a good reply and example for not going by VLR Written rules. THEN YOU LOCKED THE THREAD.
Common mr. I got autographs cause im the baddest DTR driver. take the 2nd week of points from VLR_JW and give him one sub back and take 40 points from yours for screwing over people last year. Its a un fair advantage for VLR to have subbed the 2nd week for a team mate. please adjust the points and rewrite your rules to clairify what your doing.

The rules were reclarified yesterday when ICE said they could be misconstrued. And I didn't use a sub last year, I was saying other drivers have subbed for drivers before when they were tied in points, not VLR drivers. Don't race if you don't like it, nigger

Karl wrote: If thats what you meant by except on the first race then that would make you and JW tied, where does it say if your tied in points you can sub for a team mate again on the 2nd week, on the contrary it does say that you have to have less points to sub for someone. you say you did it last year, so your saying for 2 years in a row you dupped the players of DTR2 to keep a team mate in the top 10. Hey I didn't write the VLR rules , you did, there was 10 people in vent discussing it and want to know what your going to do about it. Your reply was anyone who thinks that this is unfair or 'cheating' or has never been done before at VLR, you don't have to race it. Is that a good reply and example for not going by VLR Written rules. THEN YOU LOCKED THE THREAD.
Common mr. I got autographs cause im the baddest DTR driver. take the 2nd week of points from VLR_JW and give him one sub back and take 40 points from yours for screwing over people last year. Its a un fair advantage for VLR to have subbed the 2nd week for a team mate. please adjust the points and rewrite your rules to clairify what your doing.

I locked the thread because it's not relevant, and Right Call is not relevant to VLR.