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BLS Jsn! wrote: So what your saying is, it's way easier to drive with a cont than a wheel??? Well I like challenges, and I have NEVER drove a race car that was easy to drive!!! Like I said, do you see race car drivers using a flight controller from the camera boom on the back of their race cars. IMO if you beat me with a controller your not really beating me, your beating yourself. I tend to race pretty good with my wheel (when it wasn't broke and losing cali all the time) and don't say you don't lose cali with a controller cause Shock and others who use controllers leave after every hot lap session to fix the cali! You can't race a wheel on here???? And YES it's very realistic! It may be far from real for you, cause your outside sitting on the bumper using a flight controller, that would seem far from real to me too, but I run in-car, with a wheel using ony 1st gear (unless it's a big track) and have most of the effects on, so yes it's pretty real for me. as real as I can get without spending losta money!!! After driving mini sprints for the better part of 20 years and been driving Hobby and Street Stocks off and on for the last 10 years, I would say yes this is a pretty good experience for someone that can't afford a real car, and running in car with a wheel is bout as real as you can make it!!!

JSN, have you ever also seen a dirt late model with 4 wheel drive shifting up and down in and out of turns...any way you put it still doesn't make sense. I run a controller on dtr2 and rfactor...can never do good with a wheel definately not on this game. Thought about buying a new momo wheel for rfactor sooner or later but i will ALWAYS run a controller over here, in my humble opinion, on a controller you can get outta sticky situations ALOT easier on this game (what i've proved for myself anyways) I use an Xbox 360 controller, so yeah 17 get yourself a good wired controller, mines just a cheap gamestop controller but its the best one I've used so far. I'm not tryin to belittle your opinion in any way JSN, your just kinda contradicting yourself on the whole "realistic experience" thing big dog

BLS Jsn! wrote: that's what i was trying to say, I usually say so much it gets to looking like i am criticizing but i am not. I just think this as well as sce and other racing games that you can use a wheel on, would be the most realistic view and feeling as you can get. DTR2 has the best racing I have experienced online, I raced iracing, sce, and as many rfactor cars as I could, I did find that INDY car is AWESOME in rfactor, but they all have the same concept if your in car and on a wheel, yu have to pass and try to win. I don't knock anyone for using a controller, I ONLY say they are beating thierselves, because they are not getting the fullest racing experience, not because they suck, but becasue if they ran in-car and on a wheel, they would get that "rush" of being in a race car and challenging another driver in the corners without knowing where he is at, and expecting him to hold his line. from what I have seen from the "chase view", you can see 360* around you and able to keep on the throttle till you know you can't. with in-car you have to guess at that and time it right, and hope it works, you have no idea if your able to clear his nose till you do it and hit or miss. So no, I am not saying anyone sucks or cheats because they use a controller in chase view, I am only stating they are beating their selves out of a "Natural" high! I almost get the same feeling I got im my real cars, I just don't hurt as bad the next day!!!

and I also get what your saying Jason, if I could drive on here with a wheel I would, but I can't, tried many many times and i just suck! I'll stick to my controller and I'll get my real racing experience when I strap back into my Street Stock for the 2012 season, been 3 years too long of a break for me now time to get back in the saddle. OH and yes Jason I do agree with you on the part that DTR2 is the funnest ONLINE racing game I've played. The people aren't all pricks and they all have a good sense of humor. Thats one big thing that rFactor lacks is respectable people, everyone over there are over the top and annoying assholes, but I still race with them anyways