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Woods if you're wondering why your 13.91 at Terre Haute was thrown out, here's why:

1. You were in the server alone when you hit it. A 13.91 at Terre Haute in the default lates by yourself is very hard to believe.

2. You x'd out halfway through one race with a fast lap of 13.87 - once again the only one in the room. Why would you X out with such a great lap going? This alone says that you were most likely wall banging to get that lap time, because a 91 is impossible, and an 87 if just laughable if you are the only one in the room.

So there you go...this is public because you've publicly denied you cheat/try to cheat, when it's obvious by those times that you are doing something weird. If you want me to run with you and if you hit within .5 of the 13.87 and send me your replay I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and take this down.

But this really doesn't look good on you at all and I'm not sure how you can deny that you were cheating unless you can show video proof that you can hit similar times again like you did with your Rodeo video.

I agree with Shock,
If you go back 2 weeks when I made the same post about the lap times when in the servers by themself.
Its not just Woods like I explaned in the other post. I also have results from ErL and Doit server data that reflects
sound bite counts that off the charts. Thats all I'm sayn for now.

Now, I'm not going to call Woods a cheater. I don't know what he was doing in there, I don't have the technology to be able to know. But I do know that I tried to enter the room and couldn't when he was in there. I got a Checksum error. I have absolutely nothing against Woods or any reason to believe he was cheating. The guy helped me out and got me one of my first wins just by telling me to lift in the turns, I went out and won the very next race. Maybe it was a freak glitch in the game. I do not know and I'm not saying anybody is cheating. Can't make that clear enough. But it is kinda weird. I just hope it gets cleared up and nobody winds up mad at anybody else.

I think the checksum could have been on an add on track or something - just a guess. This doesn't always mean someone is cheating. I get these all the times when I am making a track or F1yer sends me a track that is unfinished and I have a different version of it then the person in the room. I think what Woods was doing was more likely wallbanging which is extremely obvious when someone else is in the room, but when you're alone like he was, no one's gonna see it.

What is wallbanging? Everytime my car even touches the wall I slow down so I don't see how that could possibly make you faster......And a 2nd question.What if its a checksum on a car and not a track? Cuz I've seen checksum errors on the 80s modified and some of the Gen 3s......Does that mean there are different versions of them too?

Karl or whoever else..Can someone send me info for sites or whatever it is to get the programs yall have?...See'n that I have my own servers as well..I would like to have these options to be able to see EVERYTHING someone does in a server as well?..So is any of yall willing to share the info on where i need to go to get this stuff for the server that yall seen to have?

Its not all that EZ to give to someone.
Let me explan. 1st we are all running different platforms on our web sites, mine is the oldest type, just a plain HTML (hyper text markup language) the collected data has to be converted from Binary Data to readable data and it take s different software and coding to do that.
The server data program like the one Shock uses is part of the one Doit uses to monitor lap times on all the tracks at once. Shock had to have his Tech Guy rewrite some of the code to get results from his servers. you can view his source code by right clicking on the top of this page and and click view source. Doit hides there source code for various reasons. The Excel progam that keeps track of all that was originally written by Doit 7 and if you ask him he will probably give it to you also but that is just the very beginning of what you need to fully monitor your servers.

Let me explain something here, yes I was in a server by myself running today tryin a wheel out, tried that runnin in real hard then shiftin down on terre, smashed the wall twice and yes got fast times and exited out both times, i figured if i Xed out the times wouldn't show up on the Fast 10's cause I thought you had to complete all 10 laps for that, and I did email you Shock to tell you to throw both times out if they showed up which I figured they didn't cause I checked within 5 minutes of it happening and didnt see anything so I thought "cool" but as far as karl talking about the sound bites or whatever I have no damn clue what your talking about, let me let yall in on something, I use the cars I made with the templates off the VLR Forum, I use Bucks Key Sets with my controller with the exception of Peak and a few others I use Shock's setups on so I dont see where any kinda mismatch could be coming up. J-MAC the mismatch your referring to said it was DW_Sharon which I was told to redownload the track but as of today I completely took the track out of my tracks folder. There is NO cheating on my end, I will admit to the wall bang today but that was me driving like an idiot for the first time with my buddys wheel, the .91 was actually me setting up early smacked the bottom wall and never lifted and smacked the high line wall in the process. I'm guessing my email didn't go through to you Shock so I am sorry about the misunderstanding. Proved one thing to myself today, I damn sure can't use a wheel!

Yours truly,

The One and Only WOODS

P.S. Shock I publicly denied cheatin cause I aint cheatin, I mean I even freakin offered to put people on teamviewer and let them take a gander through everything I have that has to do with DTR2, no one would take the offer so the hell with them! But like I said you could have emailed me cause it obvious nobody would have figured I was tryin out a wheel for the first time and i always hear the guys with wheels running way harder through the turns than me, like D11 for instance he's the reason I gave the wheel a try this morning, I hear him running through the turns on terre pretty damn hard and turning 13.98's and stuff himself, I couldnt do shit with a wheel except smack the wall around a few times. Damn didn't know it would cause all this stupid nonsense. But hey the game is deleted off my computer and WR volunteered to do it with me. Looks like fulltime DirtFactor now, gotta get away from this cry baby sport of a game!

Lol Woodall, man I appreciate you taking up for me but you don't have to go prove anything to get me out the fire. I know I'm not cheating, and yes I admitted to the wall bang for the simple fact I was driving stupid with a wheel but that won't get the negative nancies off my back, I just deleted my skins off this site and deleted my game, not like anyone cares, by the sound of it most of the people would rather me not race in DTR2 anyways so i'm doing the community a favor. All I can say is sorry guys that I got so fast so quick, I grew up around racing and grew up playing these games since DTRSC came out YEARS ago, i was like 8 years old and now i'm almost 22, been playin since then. But sorry all you DTR2 guys I didn't try to make this kinda name for myself but I can PROMISE all you on everything that I love, I wasn't editing my files or cheating or hypershifting or anything like that! With that said, it was nice racing you guys, I'm gonna miss the good ones like McGee, F1yer, Bush, etc. y'all know who you are. Thanks guys for all the fun times and for the help from anyone who ever helped me. I won't be causing any problems for y'all anymore.

Woods #14

Hey hoe..u aint done with dtr2 at all ya azzz!..ur on the damn team...now yea..u can still race at rfactor and towards the end of the years TXR is moving fully to rfactor..but till then..u aint done with dtr2!!..hell just come run our league races..we might not get 20 + cars like some teams..but to me..its not even about car counts at all..could care less about a big field...just come run with us on Saturday nights and have a lil fun..hell i think i can speak on everyone who has came to run with us was not disappionted at all by the racing...Strongly believe we could get only a 6 or 7 car field and just have as good if not better racing than these 20+ car counts..and i say that with confidence..not being cocky or rude....So..YEA U AINT DONE WITH DTR2 damnit

Woods wrote:

i figured if i Xed out the times wouldn't show up on the Fast 10's cause I thought you had to complete all 10 laps for that, and I did email you Shock to tell you to throw both times out if they showed up which I figured they didn't cause I checked within 5 minutes of it happening and didnt see anything so I thought "cool"

No, that's not what happened. The first one...13.87, that one you X'd out. The second one, 13.91, you ran the full 10 laps. That's the only way it would record to the website is if you run 10 laps. Well, a little while after you hit that I refreshed the fast 10's and seen a "13.91"
and I was like hmm I hope he had a lot of draft, so I looked at the logs. You ran both those times as the only person in the room. Well, then you went into another room after I took your time off the site, and you went in there with other people including Doit 11...And you were saying that "my Terre time was taken down because I beat someones time."

No, your Terre time was taken down cause it was a 13.91 and we're not gonna let people ruin the Fast 10's by cheating. We are looking at some of D11's times, too, and hopefully he will put up a video like someone told me he was gonna do or we will have to take those down, too. So I don't really believe this stuff about a wheel, but I do appreciate you admitting you were wallbanging.

To me, wallbanging is almost too dumb to be considered cheating, but when you're in the room alone, and the laps are being posted on the website, it's a lot more serious. If you had done it with 8 other people in the room I'm sure someone would have seen it, and chances are you wouldn't have done it in the first place. So stay or go in dtr2, I don't think this is as big of a deal as the other times people said you were cheating and you weren't?

As for D11, like I said we will wait a couple days and see if he posts a video on YouTube and links it here and then see what happens from there. I just don't want anyone ruining the fast 10's by shooting off these amazingly impossible laps with no assistance and taking the fun out of it for the ones who work on getting in the top 10 for a long time. Hopefully you can understand from my point of view, too!

PS thanks Rowdy for not starting stuff this time lol...I know we talked some on Yahoo.

Also Karl, our source code does not show up on the Fast 10's page. I tried to tell Rowdy what you said basically, your page is straight up HTML and ours is PHP which pulls our data from a database and displays it on our site.

To get the Fast 10's to show up, there are about 5 .php files on the site that link together to pull them. One file pulls the results from the results.txt file on our server, and sorts them into a better readable format. That file shoots it to our database, which sorts it and stores the lap times. That file shoots it to two others that make it look good on the website. They are all PHP scripts, though.

I get the point, this game is full of big ego cry baby's. Server owners monitoring people in their servers who threaten them JMO. I'm not posting anything else on here, i'm done with the game, i'm done with everyones petty BS. On that not i'm out. Peace

Woods wrote:

I get the point, this game is full of big ego cry baby's. Server owners monitoring people in their servers who threaten them JMO. I'm not posting anything else on here, i'm done with the game, i'm done with everyones petty BS. On that not i'm out. Peace

No.....you can't leave the game over this. You helped me get better at this game. It'd be stupid to quit over this. You said what you did, we can all see it. End of story. We all get to move on with our lives and keep going out and having fun racing side by side (or nose to tail after you all pass me and I despirately try to keep up) and enjoy it as we do.

And Shock, i was tryin a wheel that for some reason had little to no FFB! And don't go assuming things on Doit 11, I never said anything in this topic about him cheating or anything like that and I won't have him thrown under the bus. What you do is totally up to you and you can believe what you wanna believe about the wheel thing i can really care less at this point. J-MAC like I said lastnight in my post, thanks to all you guys that showed me a good time in the game but to all the guys who put me down, called me a cheater and whine about me nonstop, y'all can kiss my ass for all I care. I don't wanna be done with the game but hell whats the fun of racing browser after Shocks starts something on me with this dumb ass post that could easily have been discussed in an email, but he felt he had to gossip and put it on here so everyone can take a look and continue their drama about me. Like I said I had so much respect for Shock up until lastnight when his drama startin side came out. Later fellas hope this game treats you better then it has done me!

Well.....ok then. I hope to see you in the browser again someday. You know I'll race you just like anybody else. I got nothing against you. No reason to.

Hello all, My name is Ryan aka D11, xXx. I wasn't sure where to post a thread to you Shock and others in regards to people cheating. So I was approached on Friday in regards to some of my lap times for the fast 10's. First of all, I don't care of being called a cheater because if you are fast in this game you will be labeled that from people. I have been racing this game for 10 years and every year I have seen lap times pick up on tracks. This is due to competition.....not cheating. Let me explain. When I first started racing, I ran keys and was getting lapped every race and yes it sucked but I never called the guys beating me cheating. I simply asked them what they were doing and learned from it. 1st thing is you most definitely need a wheel in order to turn some amazing times at tracks. The reason being is the control factor. When you use keys or controller it is a tap tap tap to make the car turn consistently. When you use a wheel, well in my case I gently roll it through with no twitching at all. That alone will increase your speed at least .15 on every track if not way more. To explain in depth "when you see in nascar 2 cars entering the same turn at the same speed, and the car on top twitches just a little, the car underneath blows right by and runs that lap at least .3-.5 faster correct. Same principle in all racing people. Control is the key to success in DTR2 and all forms of racing. The other thing is as far as running by yourself it is always easier to run the best laps. The only 2 ways of cheating that I am aware of is wall banging and hyper-shifting. Now I have never seen personally a person wall bang to his advantage. Now hyper-shifting (which we have all tried after the JCR days) doesn't work at all.) I have tried to put the car into neutral letting it rev and hitting 1st gear, All it does is spin you out and lose a second off lap times. So let me get this straight, I was told your going to take down my lap times because of knoxville right. So because I ran .04 (which let me say is four one hundreds of a second faster than your time there Shock right. That is the difference between 6 inches of the front end if we finished side by side for that lap. Hmm that must be cheating. I have ran constantly 40's at knoxville for years. You will always run faster at knoxville by your self because its a one groove track for fast times (way high side). I also noticed that people are in the 80's at rodeo including you Shock but yet I dont see you taking your times off. Your .87 alone is .05 faster than I have ever ran at Rodeo which is .01 more than mine at Knox compared to yours. Shouldn't yours come down or we be investigating you. Why would anyone care over .05. Take that number times 10 laps and you only a half second a head of me. If you or me is cheating to accomplish that then what a waste of time right. As far as woods goes, looks like he explained his situation and agreed to take down his times. I have personally never seen him cheat, and just like me, he has certain tracks he is better at than everyone else. Means nothing other than hes fast there. I also asked you shock personally if it was ok to go into the browser alone and turn times....you said ya man because you actually to perfer that as well because your lap times are better by yourself right. To be honest Shock it wouldnt matter if i was by myself at knox or not to turn 40's. If you prefer I race with others then so be it. If you would like to see every replay that I turn a good lap then we be here a while. I turned my replay in on league race when I ran .92 there 6 times in 30 laps to win league race beating Didie. Have no problem letting you see replays but I think I can vouch for everyone that if others need to do that, then show us all yours too when you hitting 80's at rodeo. Lets all drop the whole cheating thing period. I really have never understood it. I have respect for you Shock and everyone else but when I see .80's at rodeo and say nothing in good faith I damn sure expect to get that back as well. Instead of we investigating D11 it should of said DAMN NICE LAP MAN. Thats all I have to say.

Well the first thing is that your times have not been taken down yet because I was awaiting a response from you. With Woods it was obvious and he has since admitted it.

You gave a nice response, but I would appreciate if you could make a video of you running at some of these tracks to post on here. This way you can definitely show for sure and hush anyone that thinks you are doing anything wrong.

I have done it for my Rodeo times, and so has Woods (for Rodeo) to prove we aren't cheating by running really fast laps while showing our gear shifting and everything just as we see it in the game (Recording while we are racing, not from a replay).

And you're right, I said I would prefer you run the Fast 10's in a server alone. It wasn't because of faster laps though, it was somewhat the opposite. When you are alone there is no one to draft off of to skew your lap times. Also, running alone lets you work on getting a good TRT, which to me is a lot better than getting a fast lap at a track. You have gotten fast lap's AND fast TRT's, so good job.

I also didn't say anything about your Knoxville time. That was someone else. But you have said you could hit 30's there alone, too, which is hard to believe. I hit a 47 alone, and that's where I max out there so far. I have seen 45 alone I think, though. I've seen Gusty hit 13.36's there but take that how you will.

And I didn't hit an 87 alone at Rodeo. I've hit 88 as my best so far. I will gladly make videos of all the tracks I'm fast at, showing me load my game, setup, and when I shift at every single track. I don't even use notepad sets or anything. I think I'm fast enough without having to try to cheat and I think you are, too.

My 85 at Rodeo on the thing is draft, as is the guys laps that are in front of me, I would hope. When I get home today I will go record a couple more videos, though.

Like I said I would like you to record yourself racing at a couple tracks to silence anyone who doubts your times because you know as well as I do that those are some wicked fast times that no one can match without draft at some of the tracks, and you have a chance to show your side of the story with video proof.

Ever since I did a video of me at Rodeo hitting a 14.91 and posted it in here no one has said I cheat at that track. I know a .91 isn't my best of a .88 but I think now if I ran it I could get a .90 almost every race with an occasional .88


If you can show that you're legit by making a video then I will definitely tell you NL everytime I see you hit a lap like some of those in the TRT's, because those are incredibly fast times and I think everyone would agree. Don't think of it as a witch-hunt, but look at it as an opportunity to silence any doubters and to get the credit you (possibly) deserve for those times.

I have made a video, too, like I said, and I will make more if anyone questions any times I get that are not with draft.

I say we all just shut up about the cheating garbage and race. Its getting very old. We have few racers as it is racing at leagues and if we want to boost car counts, pointing people out aint going to do.